Live in the past?

Moron. That was Gideon who made the cat remark, not me.

I stand corrected, thanks.

Do you move on...or live in the past?

This your way of moving on? Seems counterintuitive.

As to the cat remark: you reminded me, correctly, on another thread, that you are not your wife, ziggy. Your wife did, on several occasions, compare raising a cat to raising children.

As for ME taking the gloves off (not the topic, but related), I explained why. Your wife launched a vicious attack against us and I responded in kind. If that has her bawling her eyes out, eating bonbons, well, good.

At no point, at no time, have you and Marcie modeled the Christian ideal that you seem to expect everyone to adhere to. Be the change you want to see in others, ziggy.

Ziggystyles ( weep )

If you want to discuss your religious ideas, you have to be prepared to have the quaterized and demolished and then go home wipe away the tears and rage and listen to a Bob Dylan album or just take a walk on the beach, for a year or so and come back with a new you.

Aeryck.

ps. Seeing as we are not entirely sure as to what is in the future, and we are busy with the present...what is left.

As soon as that starts, whether by you or someone else - pull back and move on. Blogging is about sensible debate, not mud slinging to cling onto some mythical self respect - the latter cannot be achieved in written debate, dont bother trying. As soon as it gets personal, or anywhere near personal, time to leave that particular debate and watch a movie. Its hardly relevant who has the perception of "winning" or "won". Life does not end because your shown to be wrong, or horror of horrors someone disagrees - the Sun will still rise in the morning.

If you dont like being disagreed with, dont enter a debate, because you are guaranteed someone will not agree with you - if its the majority, well, maybe thats pause for thought, a good thing. Getting personal is a big no no, and it matters not who started it, pull out and leave it - let the other end have the last word and go watch a movie. That way you'll still be talking in the morning. Life's too short to do otherwise.


You already know the answer to that.

Wrong. Blogging is about precisely what you WANT it to be about. That debate exists as an option in blogging is nice, but to say it is "about debate" is to ignore 99.9% of the blogsphere.

Fair call, I hear where you are coming from.

As long as the debate is not used as a disguise to attack an individual, no matter who started it (I make no reference to this particular dispute, dont know the background). Personal attacks for the sake of them are wrong, no matter the Culture, the effect on sensible discussion is insiduous, and things tend to disolve into farce.

I well take your point about free debate though, and its well made.

Friggen internet crapped out...always does when I post something and then I lose it. grr.

At no point, at no time, have you and Marcie modeled the Christian ideal that you seem to expect everyone to adhere to. Be the change you want to see in others, ziggy.

Its easy to point out to Christians when they don't quite meet the standard they try to live up to. Lots of athiests and such are the first to point such out "hey you arent living a Christian lifestyle" when they themselves live a life the way they want, however they want. I don't want others to change...people are who they are. Live your life however it turns your crank as long as you arent a burdon upon others or society. But to constantly have to lower ones self to personal attacks filled with everything except the truth is what seems to happen, more than not. Im also not seeing anyone on that thread or in the last few days at as a stand out Christian. I try to stay away from the personal attacks because I try to draw the line...although thats hard to do when the others resort to anything to get their version of what they want to say, out.

If you want to discuss your religious ideas, you have to be prepared to have the quaterized and demolished and then go home wipe away the tears and rage and listen to a Bob Dylan album or just take a walk on the beach, for a year or so and come back with a new you.

Ah no. My faith will not be squashed or hurt, even demolished by others on here. If it was that weak, I should worry. Also, I do not listen to Mr. Zimmerman as his music is not a style I listen to.

Seeing as we are not entirely sure as to what is in the future, and we are busy with the present...what is left.

The future is left. If you dwell on the past and keep your eyes on there, you won't focus on the future. Sort of like walking down the sidewalk and looking back at a car accident before you run head first into a light pole.

As soon as that starts, whether by you or someone else - pull back and move on. Blogging is about sensible debate, not mud slinging to cling onto some mythical self respect - the latter cannot be achieved in written debate, dont bother trying. As soon as it gets personal, or anywhere near personal, time to leave that particular debate and watch a movie.

I agree here, but like Gideon said...blogging is what people want it to be about. In theory and an alternate world, it would be about opinions and viewpoints, debate and discussion...etc. And yes that happens on here, but along with that, other things occur such as personal attacks, lies, manipulation of the truth...etc. And to some, it doesn't matter...as long as you can attack someone...all gloves can come off. You can take what they say and use it against them...you can make up all sorts of crap, get mad at them constantly over time and focus on things long ago passed. It doesnt matter...your followers will read, like flies to a light.

Got a feeling your "followers" will diminish pretty quickly in that event tho   

"Im also not seeing anyone on that thread or in the last few days at as a stand out Christian."

I'll try harder to be a stand-out Christian next time.

I agree though, that there was not much Christian conduct on that thread, from either side. I'm not going to go back and read it again to see who started it, who said what, whatever, it doesn't matter. Someone has to step up and be the better person, and that's a lot harder than writing a scathing response, especially when you've already thought up a good one and have a great point to make...

I'll try harder to be a stand-out Christian next time.

my comment wasn't pointed towards you, sorry if I made it sound like that.

If it doubled to 30,000 (you really should leave the zeros there to get the full effect of the size of that number), then it was originally 15,000 dollars?

Is that what I'm getting out of that?

Do you realize what a resounding waste of money that is? Especially for someone on a smaller income. You wouldn't see me laying down 15,000 bucks (that's 1,500,000 mother f***in' pennies, people) for a bike if I was making a anything less than 100,000 dollars a year. And that's only if the house was paid off.

Grow some balls, man, and learn to spend money on things that matter.

Like so many others, you're an embarrassment to our generation.

"my comment wasn't pointed towards you, sorry if I made it sound like that."

I know who it was pointed to, but if I HAD been a stand-out Christian on the thread, you would've said, "Only Jythier acted like a stand-out Christian" instead of nobody. I was being more of a shrink back Christian, after all.

I actually started a lengthy reply.

A couple of thoughts:

"Brevity is the soul of wit."

"Genius simplifies."

I've found you can take the same idea and express it in either a 1000 page novel or a 17 syllable haiku. (Maybe you should take up haiku. Learning to express yourself in such a limited space would be good for you.)

eating bonbons,

Dang, I could use a bonbon....

If you dwell on the past and keep your eyes on there, you won't focus on the future. Sort of like walking down the sidewalk and looking back at a car accident before you run head first into a light pole.

If you look too much to the future, you tend to trip over your own feet. Most religions will tell you the present is the only place. While Jesus said to count the costs before beginning a project, he also admonished to focus on the present day and "take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. "

I was being more of a shrink back Christian, after all.

Is that like those Shrinky-Dink crafts they had when I was a kid? Color them up to be all pretty then watch them shrivel down when heat is applied?

Do you realize what a resounding waste of money that is? Especially for someone on a smaller income. You wouldn't see me laying down 15,000 bucks (that's 1,500,000 mother f***in' pennies, people) for a bike if I was making a anything less than 100,000 dollars a year. And that's only if the house was paid off.

lol wow. I seriously can't tell if you are joking or being serious.

If you look too much to the future, you tend to trip over your own feet. Most religions will tell you the present is the only place. While Jesus said to count the costs before beginning a project, he also admonished to focus on the present day and "take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. "

Well yes, this is also true. However, my main issue is that, there are three blogs right now attacing my wife and myself. Now, one of them is filled with various sayings like "she seemed" or "she seems".....etc. Well heck yeah...I can take what I think someone SEEMED to say or SEEMED to imply and contort it into some pile of crap.

Then ontop of that, we have people bringing up stuff from about a year or two ago (and a post my wife made this week) and they compile all that into their own professional (or not) medical diagnosis from what they read from a gal on the internet. The sad thing is that there are various people claiming my wife has a medical problem, to which she simply does not, outside of depression and stress (which is what like a huge part of the population has anyways...but never mind that fact). She gets ticked off and annoyed and people who spin words and spread lies and mistruth all over the place; while at the same time, those very people then stand on their soap box saying "see see, there we go...medical illness!" lol. Quite a few people saying "well if that was my teacher" and all that crap...but hey, after three years of teaching, no such thing has remotely even happened, as a matter of fact, NOTHING has happened as a result from parents. No parent concerns at all. But then again, the facts don't matter as long as you have the internet and certain people who don't like facts anyways because their version gets points on their blogs. Quite a few times (I seriously have lost count) over the past few weeks, people have commented in a couple of different ways that we have been laid off from every job we have had. Each time, I have corrected them...but still....that doesn't matter. It doesnt matter that they are wrong, they know it completely 100%, but actually admitting it and taking that into consideration would be something that they simply are not capable of.

So yeah, it would be nice to live in the present, but its hard when others continue to live in the past and dig it up all the time.

Dead serious. What joke is there to be found in that reply?

Dead serious. What joke is there to be found in that reply?

Well....everywhere?

And what exactly is a joke about putting my priorities in order, and rather than waste 15,000 dollars on a bike when I don't make any money, I'll pay the house off first.

Again, I fail to see where correct priorities are a joke. Your behavior is miles more bafoonish than my own.

And what exactly is a joke about putting my priorities in order, and rather than waste 15,000 dollars on a bike when I don't make any money, I'll pay the house off first.Again, I fail to see where correct priorities are a joke. Your behavior is miles more bafoonish than my own.

Well first you imply that in order to get a bike...I should have my house paid off which could take Lord knows how long...and then when that happens, I should have a 100k job as well ontop of that.

second, Im not working, right now. I didn't buy the bike when I was unemployed and have made payments with no troubles ever since I got the bike along with paying extra on principal. Im not going to sell off everything I own if i go through a short time of unemployment.

"Im not going to sell off everything I own if i go through a short time of unemployment."

You don't own the bike, the loan company owns the bike.

Wow, and I thought I cared too much for other peoples comments. I'll be honest when I say I don't know you well, have barely seen more than a few articles from your lady and a couple from you. But have yet to see anything that wouldn't warrant the constant attacks you and your lady get.



I don't see why you have to put up with anything. You don't like the comments, you can always ignore them. Do the people on this site have some kind of power over your life? Do their opinions really matter that much to you? You guys should have never posted this crap you speak of on a site that keeps them available for long periods of time if you didn't want it people to bring them up every time a chance arises. You want it personal, keep them off the site.



Interesting addition except that in order to move forward one must learn from the past, value the present and hope for a better future. As much as you may want to live in the present and move towards the future, you can not ignore the past cause every second that comes and goes becomes the past so your future can not exist without it.

We all have to live with our past, and we all have to live with people reminding us of it. It's human nature to remember the bad and ignore the good.

It took me a while to figure this out but you have to learn to ignore people. You should also learn not to put your dirty laundry on a blogg site if you don't want people using it against you. Own up to your mistakes and move on.



Perhaps you should ask yourself this question before you ask others. You are not moving on, you are dwelling in the past since you felt you had to defend something you thought was forgotten. As far as I'm concerned only the truth hurts.

Actually he said have the 100k job first but I believe he was actually trying to say a job that paid more, not necessarily a 100K job. Second I believe he was trying to say that the house should be first, not a bike, especially a 15,000 bike that is now costing you 30,000 when you don't even have a stable job. Make sure you have a house with payments up to date and you can afford a vehicle on the side.



Take it from a guy who has made many, many mistakes you should have never gotten this bike in the first place. Things such as new cars, bikes, big screen TVs and such are wants, not needs and without a good paying job that is somewhat secure, you should not even be checking this stuff out. But you won't admit this, instead you will attack anyone who says anything about this. Like Sanchonino said:



That would include me as well. I at least admit my mistakes and admit to having a problem.

Cars are definitely not always just a want, but I'll second the rest of your post, Charles.

I wouldn't go so far as to say you shouldn't buy a bike until your house is paid off, but I will go so far to say you shouldn't buy a bike on credit ever.

As for cars, I would only buy on credit if I absolutely had to. Better to save for it and pay up front.

Well I was revering more to new unnecessary cars such as an SUV to go to work to a job where you don't use your car or a Lexus, even a used one when you can't afford to even fix it. But I get your point.



Same here, I figured he meant as in keeping the payments up to date, he could have worded it better. Then again that's what he would do.