Me 'n Mel Gibson

It impresses me that someone of reputation in Hollywood llike Mel Gibson had a pure appreciation of the story of Christ's life & crucifixion, a passion strong enough to put his all into making a stirring movie. (I haven't seen it, but I remember the stir it caused. Or was it just a promotional trick? I dunno.)

Remember how many feathers he ruffled for making that movie? Interviewers dug into him, trying to figure out what fueled his interest in the topic, whether or not he was really sincere. (Based on the impression I got after seeing one of his interviews, I believe he was sincere.)

Further harassment was thrown at him because some people decided he was a Jew hater because of the way the Savior's torment was depicted in the movie. I remember the word "anti-Semitism"became a buzz word for awhile.

(My take on the matter is that Mel Gibson was true to what's in the Bible. Although I never saw the movie, that's how Mel stated it in the interview.)

Mel Gibson can't be blamed for depicting in a movie what's in the Bible. He can only be blamed for attempting to put the Bible on screen in the first place. I think that's what ruffled everyone's feathers. Perhaps people didn't understand why such a movie made them angry, so they got angry at Mel Gibson.

I wonder if the mere topic of religion makes people uncomfortable if religion isn't a part of their lives?

The scriptures are powerful. Try as anyone may, capturing the stories & messages in dramatizations, songs, poems, watered-down children's books…try as anyone may, it's hard to do justice to the real thing. I think the only effective way to capture the power of the scriptures is by reading them. That power is the best fuel for life.

As for the harassment that Mel Gibson received for making "Passion of the Christ," I wonder why so little (if any) harassment has been aimed at, oh let's say productions like American History X, the Scream movies (and its parodies, heh), the American Pie movies…There are millions of movies that fill our heads with anger, fear, hatred, sexual thoughts. (In my opinion there's something wrong with on screen sex because let's face it, the initiation of sexual desire is meant to come from and is most satisfying when enjoyed with another person rather than an image on a screen, AM I RIGHT??? The sad thing is, there are plenty of people who probably disagree, and that's an indication of some serious sickness in the world.)

I imagine that any harassment that such media generates is swept under the carpet because it seems like a whole lot of people have become entranced and desensitized by the enticing lies that sound so good to us when we let our minds relax. I know I've fallen for the lies. They're subtle and blinding.

As far as how little justice one can do when attempting to capture the scriptures through movies, dramatizations, songs, modern translations, pop-up books, etc….well, I admire the efforts people make because I feel the passion too. But because I know there's no adequate way to recreate what's in the scriptures (unless done with inspiration & authority, which few people have both of), I prefer not to watch movies or read books that attempt to mirror the scriptures.

So for the first couple years of being a mother who knows that children are most likely to develop a love for the scriptures if they learn it at home, I struggled in my mind & heart for a way to teach the scriptures to my children (though I only had one child at the time) WITHOUT relying on any diluted sources.

I came to a humbling realization that since they can't read the scriptures for themselves yet, I'd have to do my best to teach them "simply" by loving them in everything we do with the same powerful love I feel when I read the scriptures, and to make the actual scriptures a part of our daily lives.

BUT…those "simple" things haven't been so simple to me because I am far from perfect.

SO…after those first couple years of motherhood, my husband let me invest in some costly flannel board scripture story sets. (Heh, of course I'll never forget how costly they were…but how easily we can throw around money at restaurants, theme parks, toy stores, hah!) Michael was a bit young when we got them, but within a few months he really started to enjoy them.

A year later (Jan 2006) my husband had no qualms with my request to use a significant part of our tax refund to purchase two DVD sets of animated scripture stories. Since we could only afford to get so many, I chose the Book of Mormon & Old Testament sets.

The reasons I chose the OT vs the NT were: 1) we were studying the OT in Sunday School that year, so I thought the DVDs could serve as a fun supplement ; and 2) due to my leeriness of indulging in media that attempt to do justice to the scriptures, I was doubly leery that my children might get some idea that our Savior is a cartoon (!). So I chose the OT instead of the NT. Oh gosh, but my reasoning wasn't perfect because the Savior appears in the Book of Mormon too. Oh well.

We've had these for a year & a half now, and Michael's really enjoying them. I've tried to make it clear to Michael that these are animated depictions of scripture stories which REALLY happened, and the best place to get our information is directly from the scriptures.

Sooo…Since he's responding really well to these DVD's I'm thinking about going ahead and getting the New Testament set some time. And I'll make a point to make doubly sure that he knows that Jesus Christ is really real, not a cartoon (!).

A couple days ago Michael woke me up, and after he saw I was in a good mood (I'm often not a morning person) he started telling me everything he could about Hophni & Phinehas, how they stole the Ark of the Covenant from their dad Eli, and how the Philistines got involved... I confess I didn't know anything about the story so all this information was joyfully enlightening to me! And that such words were in his vocabulary, wow!!

Today he requested, "Let's watch Abinadi & Noah." He was reflecting for awhile before we watched the movie (he's watched it several times before), then he came out with this comment, "I know why they call him Abinadi…it's because he "di"ed." Oh that was so oddly insightful, I smiled and gave him a hug.

As precious as his little insight was, later I felt compelled to explain to him...although Abinadi died by fire (wouldn't that be awful?), he died peacefully and righteously because the Lord was pleased that he taught King Noah the truth, and wouldn't deny it for anything.

As Michael was watching the movie he made a clamor over King Noah getting burned, so we had another talk about that to ease his mind. (Abinadi prophesied that Noah would die in the same way that he'd kill Abinadi. When that prophecy was fulfilled it further affirms to the reader that Abinadi was indeed a prophet of God, and that works of righteousness would go on.)

All this religious "brainwashing" I'm giving my kids (I'm sure that's what many people might call it) is, in my opinion, ESSENTIAL to arm them for the turbulence they'll encounter as they go through life. Although some people might wonder how scripture stories could possibly fortify people in their day-to-day lives, I know it really can fortify them if they remember the powerful examples of FAITH, and (especially notable in the war chapters of the BOM) that when people are faithful and righteous, God will absolutely protect and prosper them.



A couple weeks ago on two separate occasions John & I spied Michael saying quiet, verbal, personal prayers. The first time John heard him praying for a length of string so he could tie up something (he has some sort of fascination with tying things). Gotta love it. Well heck I remember praying for a lost key once and even though I knew I'd lost it outdoors quite some distance from my current location, when I looked up it was RIGHT THERE on my nightstand!!! I kid you not. What powerful evidence God gave me that day that He loves me, how He rewarded my faith with something that was HUGE to me, but probably no big deal for Him.

The second time we heard Michael pray... well I'll go ahead and make this a long story:

The ice cream truck was in the neighborhood while we were out at the park, and after a little deliberation John remembered he had a couple bucks in his pocket. He wanted to treat Michael who was getting really excited about the ice cream truck. After he'd deliberated a little too long, the ice cream truck headed around the corner.

So John booked it on his feet and Michael walked to the corner to watch, but could only see him until John turned another corner and was out of sight. I was back with the baby on the grass, but wanted to make sure Michael was OK, so with both kids in sight, I approached Michael. I heard him praying that Daddy would catch the ice cream truck. Absolutely precious. I didn't dare disturb him or let him know I heard.

Well, not only did John catch the truck and buy some ice cream for Michael, he came back heroically & triumphantly in the passenger seat next to that friendly, smiling ice cream man.

I'm guessing that Michael had a lesson in Primary about prayer that week, because he hasn't prayed like that before or since (that I know of). I have to credit someone else (Primary or the movies he's been watching) because I haven't been very good at teaching him about prayer. Don't get me wrong, I know prayer is powerful and I've had some powerful experiences, but ever since I went a little astray in my mid-20's then got married to someone who makes practicing religion in the home a little awkward, prayer has been a rare indulgence for me. And it's a downright pain in the neck to get the whole family to agree to pray together. Sigh. So thank goodness for Primary (or those movies) as they fill in our gaps.

Michael is limited to one movie a day…MAXIMUM and it has made all the difference, especially since we finally swore off television for GOOD (I mean it this time, we gave away both our TV's to the moving guys when we got to Maryland). Don't get me wrong, In Michael's four short years he's had his share of Elmo, Caillou, Dora & Diego, Playhouse Disney, etc…but since we've switched to the 100% religious route (OK, maybe closer to 99%), Michael's tantrums are nearly down to zero, and he's replaced his random prattle about cartoons (which seriously annoy me) with random prattle about scripture stories. I'm pleased!!

I've gotta give a lot of credit to Nest Entertainment and to the Living Scriptures: they do a pretty good job following the stories. But I admit that I was expecting more (for all that money!!) and was a little bummed after watching a DVD for the first time and didn't get the same feeling from the cartoon that I did when I read the story from the scriptures. That's understandable though, since it's impossible to take a guy who used to direct Disney movies to be in charge of making Book of Mormon cartoons, and expect him to do it with inspiration, heh.

Well, it only reinforces the hard truth to me that the only effective way to teach children is the old fashioned way with lots of time, love, and a ton of knowledge. We're working on it.

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It sounds like y'all are trying really hard. Good for you.



And man, those videos are funny. Especially the Brother of Jared one with the stupid guy trying to get the fish in the bucket.
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I thought about getting the videos after your comments...but OUCH! they are pricey! I'll hope that I find a few on sale on ebay individually....

And now to be mean...(sorry)
As precious as his little insight was, later I felt compelled to explain to him...although Abinadi died by fire (wouldn't that be awful?), he died peacefully and righteously because the Lord was pleased that he taught King Noah the truth, and wouldn't deny it for anything.


Don't tell him stuff to make him "feel better". Be honest. Death by fire is not peaceful or nice. Abinadi died painfully and horribly. But even though it was a fearful death, he stuck to his guns and did not recant his testimony. Teaching a kid that "if you do what God tells you it will be OK" is a crock. Life sucks and just because you choose the right does NOT mean life (or death) will be easy. If you teach a kid the sunshine and smiles concept, then when they are struggling, they will not see the fact that doing the right thing often causes more misery and suffering.

We struggle against persecution and rage, violence and an unfair world....we dont' do it becuase "God will make it all better". We do it becuase it's the right thing to do.
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double post
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Well yeah, I didn't say that I think it felt good when Abinadi was burnt to death. No, I said he had peace in his heart (I've felt such amazing peace before even when all hell has combined against me!!) and he died righteously.

And trust me, my son knows that life ain't full of sunshine. He's pretty clear that life sucks, and I'm just teaching him that religion can be a refuge from the storm. I KNOW IT! I"VE LIVED IT!!

Love ya D
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Religion's not my thing, but I definitely think you're doing right by your child by impressing your family's values on him while he is young.

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I definitely think you're doing right by your child by impressing your family's values on him while he is young.


I agree with Tex. What is important to you and letting them know this is good to do.


Glad you guys are doing well!
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woo hoo....you are featured! (Glad you got what I meant...)
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You haven't seen the movie, but you are writing about it?

"Further harassment was thrown at him because some people decided he was a Jew hater because of the way the Savior's torment was depicted in the movie. I remember the word "anti-Semitism"became a buzz word for awhile." Actually, I think that anti-Semitism has been a buzz word since, I don't know, the Holocaust or maybe the Inquisition. We Jews are funny that way. You persecute us for a couple of thousand years, kill a few million of us, and we take it personally.

Mel Gibson's father is a Holocaust denier. His father Hutton Gibson, one week before the movie opened, said that the 6 million Jews had not died in the concentration camps, but had fled "elsewhere." Like, maybe Narnia. "It's all -- maybe not all fiction -- but most of it is." You show him the gas chambers, the crematoria and he denies them. And Mel defends his dad.

A Jewish reporter writes an article criticizing the movie and Mel says "I want to kill him…I want his intestines on a stick. . . . I want to kill his dog." Not quite what Jesus would do, eh?

Then we have drunken Mel, saying "F---ing Jews. The Jews are responsible for all the wars in the world." Does that include Jews like Jesus and Paul?

I don't get how you can say that you are teaching your children with "a ton of knowledge" when you post a blog without any research at all.
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Mr. Kuperman, I am so sorry for the anguish of your ancestors, and for the pain you might continue to bear.

If this article were to be read more objectively, it would be clear to the reader that my point was nothing deeper than how futile it can be to re-enact scripture stories.

The only kinship I felt with Mel Gibson here was that he has an appreciation for the Bible, and so do I. Apart from that, I don't know a thing about the guy (although I recall some earlier media hooplah over his bare tush in "Bird on a Wire," heh). And sometimes I find it mildly amusing to put a slightly misleading title on articles...perhaps it led people to wonder, "Did a Joe User meet a celebrity?" Haha.

I'm sorry if any of this made you feel angry.
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Also, I'll go ahead and add something here that I edited out of the original draft because it sounded preachy. But here it is because it's extremely relevant, and maybe even moreso after I may have hurt the feelings of a Jewish guy:

Mel Gibson oughtn't be blamed for the way people treated Jesus during his mortal ministry (assuming that the film depicted the events accurately). [But you're right, Mr. Kuperman, that I shouldn't go stating my opinions so firmly on matters I know so little about.]

[But the following statements I am very firm on and any Christian will probably agree, and dare I even say a Jewish person may get a warm fuzzy from this:]

The suffering and death of Jesus Christ was necessary for the redemption of all mankind. It's a hard fact to swallow that the horrific suffering of the most wonderful person ever to walk the Earth was all part of a grand design.

[Here's the warm fuzzy for everyone:] A wonderful fact of the matter is that the very people who tormented Christ were forgiven in the midst of the act, "Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do."(Luke 23:34).

There's a poignant phrase in the hymn, O Savior, Thou Who Wearest a Crown that states it beautifully:

"The very foes who slay Thee have access to Thy grace."
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Up front I have to say I am not a "believer", but strongly believe the right of others to seek whatever gives them an inner peace. However that’s as long as they don’t try and "save" me - it will be a lifelong unsuccessful Endeavour. I have made my choice and they should respect that as I do their's.

What I found rare in the OP's post is a willingness to present options and opinions to the child without the zealot preaching. I have no doubt you will hope he will eventually follow it through genuine belief, not just the result of his natural quest for anything new prevalent at that age.

I would only strike a cautionary note, the information / teachings whatever phrase you wish, really must be in the long term be presented as - fact, if you will - but not in such intensity that when confronted by those who do not believe, that he cant cope and become confused, if not down right hostile to it - with the declining numbers of true believers on a worrying scale that is possible. I say worrying, because although I do not believe in a theological sense in a Supreme Deity, I do believe in the values a Christian way of life puts forward.

I have seen many, my wife included, who were brought up in a family who believed the existence of a Devine Deity, but discussion - sensible non zealot discussion - about other beliefs never took place. When they did it was almost in a self righteous tone of how silly others were not to join in, with no balance to it. The end result was my wife when she finally made her own way in life at 22 years old, felt "incomplete", not enough discussion had taken place concerning the core issues of faith and belief, just blind knowledge based on "the only way". Predictably her Faith waned to nearly zero, she had come across a set of beliefs held by many that she was not equipped to cope with or rationalise in a sensible non zealot way. In short her family approach had in fact backfired.

Clearly much of this is not relevant (yet) to a four year old, he must still go through the joy of discovery etc. But one day he will start to hear other things, and before you realise it, will be questioning his own rationalisation.

I actually enjoyed the somewhat long [yey someone who posts longer ones than me - come back me all is forgiven ] - post. It is clear you are a devoted mother with a very sensible level head concerning religion, despite your obvious devout beliefs. I only suggest that as he grows he is given space to allow the beliefs shown him to grow naturally at a steady pace, and he is allowed to discuss and question them in sensible discussion. This is not the planet of a hundred or even fifty years ago, by the time he is teenage/adult, his beliefs will be in the minority, if he cant cope with that, and understand why that is without simplistic fire and brimstone zealotry (which I emphatically do not accuse you of), he will dump it in an instant, a hugely sad result.

My response is a little personal and intrusive I guess, I hope it didnt seem too much in that direction, however my wife still has a troubled mind over it, and still cant reconcile it forty years later. Unless you have genuinely seen and been through watching someone struggle with it, its possible you will not see the bear trap.
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the information / teachings whatever phrase you wish, really must be in the long term be presented as - fact, if you will - but not in such intensity that when confronted by those who do
not believe, that he cant cope and become confused, if not down right hostile to it - with the declining numbers of true believers on a worrying scale that is possible.


Very well said. I'm not forcing anyone to believe anything, I'm only teaching my children these things because quite frankly, they're powerful "truths" that I've discovered through much rationalization of my own, critical thinking, trial & error, experimentation, blind faith, and with faith, prayer.

And every human being is likewise free to experiment or disregard as they choose. It will not make me angry if anyone I love chooses a different path. I only have to do my conscience right by teaching my kids what I "know" and by being the best example I can, but especially to love them. From there it's up to them what they'll do with the information. I'll love 'em no matter what.

Unless you have genuinely seen and been through watching someone struggle with it, its possible you will not see the bear trap.

I know the bear trap, I live it every day. And you know what? it's not so much a bear trap. For those who live their religions well, what many deem a "trap" is actually the most wonderful liberation ever imaginable. (I say for those who live their religions well because I've been on both sides. When I'm good, I feel liberated by my beliefs. On the other hand, when I'm up to no good, my beliefs feel stifiling. Interesting, eh?)

I've got a funny little analogy going on right now, in regards to keeping the house clean, I try to enforce a rule that food can only be in the dining area / kitchen. Well even I find that rule a little stifling because I'd love to have snacks at the computer or in the bedroom or be able to roam freely if I'm eating something on the fly. When the rule is broken, the house usually gets messy. But when we all live life the hard way and obey the stifling rule, the house is clean and we're all eventually happier for it because we don't have yucky messes to dig out of the carpet. Religious guidelines are much like that. They may seem stifling, they're completely optional to obey, but when we follow the rules we're ultimately better off.

My response is a little personal and intrusive I guess

Not at all. I know by writing such an article I was inviting the world to peep in and think about it from all angles.
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Sorry the quotes up there are all jacked up ...I don't know how that happened but I don't have time to fix it right now. My kids need me!!