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Time for Excess Profits Tax on Big Oil!

Time for Excess Profits Tax on Big Oil!



The price of gas is not something that can be ignored. The explanation from Big Oil is just not acceptable. They claim the spring maintenance is the reason for the highest gas prices ever in this Country. At the same time oil company profits continue to set new records.

With the obscene profits oil companies have received they have not built ANY new refineries in 20 years to deal with the supply issue they claim is why prices are high. It is time to simply tax away the increasing profits and use that tax revenue to build refineries, seek alternate energy and begin forcing solutions that BIG OIL will not resolve. All they want is to pay huge salaries to their top executives and make the stockholders happy while destroying every person and business in this country. The increase in gas prices is FAR worse then any tax increase because it is harms ALL Americans and ALL American Business. For any of the conservatives that wail against tax increases, it is time to stop the rape by Big Oil!
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Reply #76 Top
where do you get your info?

anwar has about 10 billion barrels (estimates between 5-15 billion)
WWW Link


i got my info from the senate on cspan

and the last estimate they made in the area was on north shore and that was there was only enough oil for operations for ten years.

how long have they been pumping oil now


and by the way neither iraq nor saudi arabia has the most oil in the ground.

that honor goes to the united states and that is only the lower 48 states does not include alaska or the off shore fields.

and i got that in the 70s on those little saturday morning info cartoons that the us government which was run by the democrats at the time. you remember the ones like conjunction, junction
Reply #77 Top
i also just looked up the number of oil companies in the united states


That list is far from complete and many on that list have been purchased by other companies. I know this because a large portion of that list are our clients. We drill where ever we can. We have gone to Romania and Egypt for a company that isn't on your list. This list also excludes foreign owned companies that have large drilling operations in the US.

Light Sweet Crude in May 2006 was in the Low $70 per barrel range. Today it is in the mid $65 per barrel range. Gas is about $.40 per gallon HIGHER. Thus gas price increases are NOT due to the higher margin on higher cost crude. Crude is LOWER and we should be seeing LOWER gas prices. As I said this is the OIL Companies controlling the SUPPLY of refined product relative to demand.


Incorrect. I admit that production is not the same as it was last year at this time but we are still running the same amount of rigs. They are still moving from site to site. We just have to drill harder and deeper to reach our product.

The real problem is that demand exceeds the refineries capacity. Maintenance has to be done. If they do not shut down portions for maintenance they will fail and repair is more costly and time consuming than maintenance. When the proper maintenance is not done the risk of serious accidents and explosions is increased exponentially. Surely you aren't suggesting that we risk human lives so that you can save a few pennies?

I know first hand what a refinery explosion is like. I have been inside several refineries in South Louisiana. I have been to the rig floor. I work in the oil and gas exploration/production business. Gene you are just wrong.

Big oil has no incentive to build more refineries and a tax increase will not change that fact. If you increase the tax, the American public pays the price. They tried it back in the 80's and gas prices shot up never to be lowered again.

The little guy has no chance of building a refinery because they don't have the political clout that it would take to pull that off.

There are billions of barrels of oil that sit idle in pipelines waiting to be processed. The cure for this itch is our ability to refine the product. The government could step in and fix that but they really have no incentive to do that either because just like in the 80's Americans will adapt.

Bush also refused to require higher auto mileage which could have lowered the Demand.


This is a sham argument. If they set new standards for automakers it would take, at a minimum, two years to apply the standard. If they pulled it off in two years then, those cars would have to filter down to the road. I just recently sold my 1994 Explorer. I drive a 2002 vehicle and it's paid for. I have no plans to go out and strap myself with a car note and interest to save on gas. The cost of fuel would have to be free to offset the cost of another vehicle. (that will never happen) It would take 10 years or more for this to have any effect on the price of gas at the pump.


The greatest way to have a positive effect on gas prices is for the American public to reduce its consumption. Why isn't that part of your demands Gene? You like to lambaste the government and big oil but the solution isn't going to happen from either source because there is no real reason to change. Give me a good catalyst for change other than it costs you more if you can. I just don't see one.
Reply #78 Top
Give me a good catalyst for change other than it costs you more if you can. I just don't see one.


this will come as it always comes in this country at the last moment
Reply #79 Top
The population of 20,000-25,000 polar bears has been shrinking. On the west coast of Hudson Bay in Canada, for example, there were an estimated 1200 polar bears in 1987, and 950 in 2007.[26]


Sean, are you seriously trying to say we should put polar bears on the endangered list? Think hard before you answer that!

Your report is on the shrinking population of polar bears in Canada, last time I checked my maps we don’t have jurisdiction outside our borders. Are you suggestion we invade Canada to save the polar bears?

Within our borders the numbers are going up so I guess we are doing something right.
Reply #80 Top
Sean, are you seriously trying to say we should put polar bears on the endangered list? Think hard before you answer that!


just food for thought, read whatever ya wnat into it,,,you're gonna anyway
Reply #81 Top
Please explain to me why you mad at the oil profiteers and not the computer profiteers they make more money than big oil does

or electrical equipment makers, or beverages and tobacco, or the medical industries

don't respond if your not even going to bother looking up the link

because it wouldn't be fare for me to have all this info and you be to stupid to look at it

In fact food has gone up more than oil


FIRST-- Oil and Gas are essential to ALL individuals and companies. An increase in the cost of gas adversely impacts everything and is in escapable. You do not need a new computer of the latest software. That is not true of gas and oil.

I do not have a comparison between food and Oil profits increases but the food industry is very diverse and not controlled by a few companies. The fact that Crude oil prices are LOWER in 2007 and gas is substantially higher should be a RED FLAG to even a mentally challenged person like you!
Reply #82 Top
We just have to drill harder and deeper to reach our product.

WRONG! We need to develop other energy supplies and require higher mileage from car, SUV's and trucks. YOU sound just like that idiot GWB! Just drill in Alaska.



Bush also refused to require higher auto mileage which could have lowered the Demand.


“This is a sham argument.” You are WRONG again:

One mile per gallon higher average mileage would save MORE oil then in the area in Alaska Bush wants to drill. More efficient use would LOWER demand and help the refining problem. The CEO OF EXXON WAS ON CNN this week AND SAID AMERICAN OIL COMPANIES HAVE NO DESIRE TO BUILD NEW REFINERIES.
Reply #83 Top
i propose a new tax

everytime anyone wants to tax someone else they should have to pay the same amount in taxes

that's fair isn't it gene
Reply #84 Top

Reply By: danielost Posted: Saturday, May 19, 2007
i propose a new tax

every time anyone wants to tax someone else they should have to pay the same amount in taxes

that's fair isn't it gene


WHAT IS FAIR you must consider "The Ability To Pay" The wealthy got the vast majority of the Bush tax cuts and they can afford to pay more. I got almost NOTHING from the Bush tax cuts. I will be glad to give up my tax cuts along with the top 10%!
Reply #85 Top
WHAT IS FAIR you must consider "The Ability To Pay" The wealthy got the vast majority of the Bush tax cuts and they can afford to pay more. I got almost NOTHING from the Bush tax cuts. I will be glad to give up my tax cuts along with the top 10%!


poor baby you pay almost nothing in taxes and yet you got almost nothing in tax cuts

the people who are paying the taxes, that would be the top 10%, should be the ones who get the tax cut.

and again where is your outrage against the grocery stores where prices have gone up more than gas. where is your outrage against the medical industry where profits are almost 20 times higher than big oil.



Reply #86 Top
poor baby you pay almost nothing in taxes and yet you got almost nothing in tax cuts .

Where did I say that? I said I will give up my tax cuts along with the top 10%.
Reply #87 Top
I said I will give up my tax cuts along with the top 10%.


what tax cut you keep saying that the only ones who got a tax cut was the top 10%

Reply #88 Top
I said I will give up my tax cuts along with the top 10%.


what tax cut you keep saying that the only ones who got a tax cut was the top 10%

YOU are a GREAT Bushie. You distort what I said. I said 70% of the tax cuts (per the 2005 data) went to the top 10%. The other 30% went to middle income taxpayers. The low income workers got nothing because the do not make enough to pay Income Tax. My tax cut was about $400 per year since I did not benefit from the elimination of the marriage penalty and do not have any children under 18 for the tax credit. I will be happy to forgo my $400 dollars and Cheney can give back his $115,000. Sounds fair to me!
Reply #89 Top
AAA reported today average gas prices set another record high at $3.20. They said that crude oil prices would have to be at $100 per barrel to justify the current gas prices and the issue is the supply of refined gas. This is a PRIME example of how BIG OIL is screwing the American Public. Since they are NOT experiencing higher costs to produce the gas, the higher prices will show up in higher profits. Government action is the only way to deal with these powerful companies who are acting to the determent of all individuals and companies in America!!!!!
Reply #90 Top
Government action is the only way to deal with these powerful companies who are acting to the determent of all individuals and companies in America!!!!!


they tried it in the 70's made things worse.

government cannot control prices

our government is supposed to be our servent not we its servent

why can't you get that through that stupid foggy head of yours

you can't raise taxes on the rich without affecting the poor

you can't raise taxes on an induster without it affecting its customers

you can't rely on the government for everything if you try you end up with a hitler, a stalin, or any of the other dictators

saddam killed innocent people just becouse he wanted to and to stay in power
hitler killed innocent people just becouse he wanted to and to stay in power

saddam tried and failed to take other countries just becouse he wanted to. claiming that those countries were in fact part of his

hitler tried and failed to take other countries just becouse he wanted to. claiming that those countries were in fact part of his.

the united states was attacked in world war 2 not by hitler but by japan.
the united states was attacked on 9/11 not by iraq but by al quida.

you know it sounds like history is repeating itself to me

what about you dictator col gene
Reply #91 Top
YOU sound just like that idiot GWB! Just drill in Alaska.


Where have I ever mentioned Alaska? I said...

We just have to drill harder and deeper to reach our product.


One mile per gallon higher average mileage would save MORE oil then in the area in Alaska Bush wants to drill. More efficient use would LOWER demand and help the refining problem


That is exactly what makes it a sham argument. This is what would have to happen:

1. Automakers would have to have some specified time in which to reach to new lower mileage standard.
2. The public would have to actually purchase those newer vehicles.

I have a few questions for you.

1. What do you drive?
2. Is it paid for?
3. If it's paid for would you go out and strap yourself with a car note to save a mile per gallon?

I wouldn't pay $300-$400 a month for a note on a new vehicle just to save 25 cents when I fill up. Thats just dumb.

In the end, I am just like most Americans. I don't give a squirt of piss about how much it costs you or anybody else. This is all just about me.

Answer the question I posed...

The greatest way to have a positive effect on gas prices is for the American public to reduce its consumption. Why isn't that part of your demands Gene? You like to lambaste the government and big oil but the solution isn't going to happen from either source because there is no real reason to change. Give me a good catalyst for change other than it costs you more if you can. I just don't see one.


Do you have a good reason? How about this? Let's require all major oil companies that showed more than $30 billion in profits last year to build a new refinery.
Reply #92 Top
Let's require all major oil companies that showed more than $30 billion in profits last year to build a new refinery.


can't the tree huggers would throw a fit
Reply #94 Top
can't the tree huggers would throw a fit


red herring


Wrong again sir!

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Reply #95 Top
Wrong again sir!


sorry,,,disagree with your right wing media opinions. adrian moore? christian science monitor?

oil companies have been blaming their woes on enviromentalists for decades. more of that is not surprise.

but just cause the oil companies and their pundits say so, doesn't make it true.

the industry cries that they need looser regulation to build refineries. they are simply "holding out for a better deal" while the american people are held hostage.
Reply #96 Top
Wrong again sir!


sorry,,,disagree with your right wing media opinions. adrian moore? christian science monitor?

oil companies have been blaming their woes on enviromentalists for decades. more of that is not surprise.

but just cause the oil companies and their pundits say so, doesn't make it true.

the industry cries that they need looser regulation to build refineries. they are simply "holding out for a better deal" while the american people are held hostage.


Your "still" wrong. I took notice that you skipped over the third link entirely. The link of course is from the EPA!

And btw....you can blacklist me all you want. But I can "still" do an end-run on you in a heart beat.
Reply #97 Top
they are simply "holding out for a better deal"


So what is wrong with that?

If you opened a business today and you knew you could get X dollars for your product. You also knew you could sell as much of it as you could manufacture. Your customer is screaming I hate these high prices but I sure love you product. In fact I love your product so much the more you charge the more I'll buy.

Where is your incentive to flood the market with a cheap product? Your customers are going to pay price Y and hell, when you get ready they will pay Z too.

If I was the CEO, I'd hold out not for the better deal but for the best in that sort of market. Anything else would be a betrayal to my investors.


Oh and one more, they are going to build a refinery down the road, no across town from you. There will constantly be 'safe levels' of chemicals released into the air. There is going to be the occasional threat of a chemical release and you will be asked to shelter in place at least once a year. Accidents do happen, you know. While you are sheltered, you will be asked to close all windows and doors and shut off you’re A/C (likely in the hottest month of the year).

As an added bonus, every once in a while it will blow up and countless cancer causing agents will be released into the air. Oh goody!

Tell me you are excited about that possibility.
Reply #98 Top
So what is wrong with that?


the second part of the statement you chopped...

while the american people are held hostage.


maybe that's ok with you, since you work in the industry and are an obvious apologist for it. but for the rest of us, it might be another isuue.

Reply #99 Top
The link of course is from the EPA!


the george bush / dick cheney EPA...lmfao!!!!

i wasn't going to make that obvious point. but since you insisted. i figured people were less familiar with wing-nuts like adrian moore.

And btw....you can blacklist me all you want. But I can "still" do an end-run on you in a heart beat.


maybe you are the last person to know this...and that in itself is kinda funny...but , just to clue you into what everyone else knows on this site...

everyone knows that anyone can "by-pass" the blacklist by going thru the forums. there is no great trick to it. the "block" is broken and stardock apparantly can't afford to dedicate any "resources" to fixing it.

so, it's an honor thing. something you have now proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that you have no clue about.

Reply #100 Top
so, it's an honor thing. something you have now proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that you have no clue about.


And I'm sorry to say you don't a clue about honor either. And if you think by saying those words, that it's going to change anything....you're more wrong than you know. Coming from someone like you, I would consider it a compliment.



The link of course is from the EPA!


the george bush / dick cheney EPA...lmfao!!!!



So according to you not even the EPA knows what they're talking about. Except you of course.