What is the cause of Britain's social irresponsibility?

When they did away with disciplining children - they did away with "good behavior" (my opinion - so this is not an invitation to
start yelling about the fact I am pro caning and corprol punishment)

They molly coddle the kids and let them get away with blue murder.
Parents cannot be bothered to correct or control their kids - it is just too
much effort for them to bother - parents are just downright lazy and too self absorbed.

The government depts have stupid ways of dealing with problem kids - for example - one 12 year old boy was excluded from
schools repeatedly, was violent etc - they sent him on a safari in Africa - because he was from a poor
background and just had not had the opportunites the "other" kids had - what a load of bull! How can they justify
disciplining a child by sending him on an expensive african safari for three weeks? What did the kid learn? Did he change? No
he still ended up in trouble left right and center.

If they stopped mamby pambying kids today and knocked some sense into them - they might be different...

They molly coddle the kids

Spanking is not allowed in Britian right?

If so, watch California.  They are considering a law banning it.

Spanking is not allowed in Britian right?

correct - biggest mistake they made was cancelling it out.

Am I being too critical?

Nope, I had two kids try to extort a toll out of me just for walking in their street, they even tried to open my backpack when i refused to pay. i told them to piss off. their parents didn't seem to care what they got up to.

Nope, I had two kids try to extort a toll out of me just for walking in their street, they even tried to open my backpack when i refused to pay. i told them to piss off. their parents didn't seem to care what they got up to.

saucy buggers! they deserve a good slap.

Racism and ignorance exists everywhere, mate. In this particularly instance, it was captured on a 'popular' television show in front of millions. I don't think it is anything new but it is sad to see none the less.

Why is the British youth out of hand?

Hey, its not just in Britain. Kids are going wild all over the western world. I can't say for sure but I think it is not just as simple as parents being unable to spank their kids. Materialism is rife and kids just don't know how to deal with it. So they do what kids often do: they rebel. They rebel socially, educationally, physically and spiritually. They take drugs, drink alcohol, rob, bash and extort because, for a lot of them, they think this is the only way they'll ever get what they want.

The 'entertainment' industry has a lot to answer for in this regard, with their obsession with reality television focussing on rich, spoiled brats who want for nothing. It is sad and I don't really have any answer for it.

"I have seen the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...” - Allen Ginsberg



"[Did they] use your years to psyche you out - you're too old to care, you're too young to count?" Indigo Girls



"Don't criticize what you can't understand, your sons and your daughters are beyond your command." - Bob Dylan



I submit that young people through the decades have always been rebellious, wild, uncompromising, angry and sometimes violent beings. It is their nature and therefore not only "beyond [our] command", but beyond their own.

Every generation has had their share of racist, violent youth. Have you heard of the "zoot suit riots" of the 40's? How about the Watts Riots of the 60's, England's own Brixton Riots of the 80's, or the Los Angeles Riots of the 90's? Yet, humanity has made it through, and I have a feeling it will continue to do so.

The 'entertainment' industry has a lot to answer for in this regard, with their obsession with reality television focussing on rich, spoiled brats who want for nothing. It is sad and I don't really have any answer for it.

As long as switching the channel and "off" buttons are available, the entertainments industry has NOTHING to answer for. WE choose to watch the filth we condemn; they simply supply the goods.

I'm only commenting on one bit, on spanking, and it is my opinon on it.

I don't like it, and would never personally use it as a punishment against my child, ever; partially because I used to have a bad anger management problem, and my temper can be lit quickly. I don't want to risk the chance of my losing it, no matter how much worked on it.

I'm only commenting on one bit, on spanking, and it is my opinon on it. I don't like it, and would never personally use it as a punishment against my child, ever; partially because I used to have a bad anger management problem, and my temper can be lit quickly. I don't want to risk the chance of my losing it, no matter how much worked on it.

I will respectfully submit that your POV may change when you have children. It's always best not to try to predict the future...

I will respectfully submit that your POV may change when you have children. It's always best not to try to predict the future...

Perhaps, and I am aware that it may happen. Life is funny sometimes, some folks end up the exact opposite of what they started out being.

When it comes to the whole fiasco of banning it, and while I don't like it, I won't start telling parents how to raise their children, and so I disagree with such ideas to ban, and/or restrict it.

~L

don't like it, and would never personally use it as a punishment against my child, ever; partially because I used to have a bad anger management problem, and my temper can be lit quickly. I don't want to risk the chance of my losing it

I am pro spanking - but I agree with you - if you have an issue then you avoid this type of discipline - or it can turn to abuse. Good for you for recognising it and dealing with it - a very responsible attitude.

Honestly I don't know why anyone thinks anything has changed. Sure old people are always saying that the youth of today are more criminal than their generation, but if you look at the figures it doesn't show that at all. Admittedly I've only made the most cursory examinations of the records in my own country (Australia) but from what I've seen there were at least as many assualts and thefts by teens back in 1950 as there are today.

As for respect, well, from the looks of it parents raised their kids with the 'out of sight, out of mind' principle back in the old days. If they didn't die of polio children were left to the predations of child molesters and brutal school systems. It doesn't surprise me at all that most obvious hints of personal expression and rebelliousness were knocked, diseased or raped out of them.

Let's get real - if the price of a few more pleases and thankyous is a return to the hideously ineffective bad old days of childraising then are we really getting something valuable in return?

As for racism I honestly think there's much less of it blowing around today than there ever has been in the past. Sure, the reduction is happening with agonising slowness, but then again all serious social change is generational. We can't expect to see interracial relationships approach harmony for many generations of interbreeding yet.

I'm only commenting on one bit,

So much for your latest "goodbye ju" article, hmmm?

Look out folks, Lucas is back. Again. And again. And again.

(lather, rinse, repeat.)

Look out folks, Lucas is back. Again. And again. And again.

fer cryin out loud let it rest! If it bothers you so much then ignore him and stop trying to belittle the person all the time and grind them into the ground.

I am pro spanking - but I agree with you - if you have an issue then you avoid this type of discipline - or it can turn to abuse. Good for you for recognising it and dealing with it - a very responsible attitude.

Well thanks, heh. Most of the responses (seems like all of them) are along the lines of the person/s in question thinking that i'm being too worrysome.

fer cryin out loud let it rest! If it bothers you so much then ignore him and stop trying to belittle the person all the time and grind them into the ground.

And if emp (or LW) bothers you so much, ignore THEM! Practice what you preach! This isn't your thread, jennifer, and you don't have the right to play moderator any more on it than you do on mine.

Sorry to hijack your thread, adnauseam.

WE choose to watch the filth we condemn; they simply supply the goods.

Gid, point taken but I was actually referring to children, who don't know enough to turn off this rubbish. Sure, you and I, as intelligent, informed adults can choose to change channels or turn the bloody thing off, but kids don't have enough experience to know or understand this. Sure, parents should be monitoring what their children watch, but this doesn't necessarily happen all the time.

And if emp (or LW) bothers you so much, ignore THEM! Practice what you preach! This isn't your thread, jennifer, and you don't have the right to play moderator any more on it than you do on mine.

Ya know, good point...though, did ya forget to apply it to yourself as well? ( ;~P )

Just teasin'

Peace, ~Lucas

Ya know, good point...though, did ya forget to apply it to yourself as well? ( ;~P ) Just teasin' Peace, ~Lucas

And who have I told they have no business posting, Lucas?

As for the "just teasin'", see my article on the "I'm only kidding defense"

Sure, parents should be monitoring what their children watch, but this doesn't necessarily happen all the time.

Parents who neglect their children have NO RIGHT to blame society for their own PERSONAL lack of oversight. I, on the other hand, have a right to watch the shows I want to watch without having to worry about some government censor manning a switch.

We leave the regular broadcast to allow a private broadcast to take place.. we apologise for the inconvenience ----- normal viewing will resume shortly ........

Sorry to hijack your thread, adnauseam.

THEN WHY DO IT?

And if emp (or LW) bothers you so much, ignore THEM! Practice what you preach! This isn't your thread, jennifer, and you don't have the right to play moderator any more on it than you do on mine. Sorry to hijack your thread, adnauseam.

Such a blatant attempt to get a flame going Gideon - contemptible behaviour

I was reminding in a NOT BITCHY MANNER - that there is a moratorium on Flamefests and to stay away from it....doing them a favour actually .............but here you are Gideon blatantly moderating someone else's thread...........trying to start a flame festival!


FER as opposed to FOR = the fer indicates a more light hearted and jestful attitude - stop being such a dictatorial fool and mind your own beeswax please...you are so intent on getting your voice heard and stirring the shitty little pottie you forget to actually read how it was put...................may I take this opportunity to remind you.....the owner does not like flamefest so stop trying to start one.

And if you do not believe me check out the thread joeuser = joke user for the language usage of FER.


Ad please feel free to delete this if you so wish, I will not be offended.

We now return you to the regular scheduled program - again our apologies for the interrupted service - enjoy your viewing....

THEN WHY DO IT?

Jennifer,

What I have to say does not belong here. You have email

(response edited. This is about the topic at hand, not this crud).

And who have I told they have no business posting, Lucas? As for the "just teasin'", see my article on the "I'm only kidding defense"

Dude, I was only kidding...that's it. Nothing meant by it, okay? I don't want to start ruffling feathers, that's why i put the extra bit in. Bygones be bygones, mea culpa, and all that good stuff?

~L

Parents who neglect their children have NO RIGHT to blame society for their own PERSONAL lack of oversight.

While I agree with you, there are too many examples of 'adults' not taking any responsibilty for their actions and, in some case, through litigation, even seemingly being awarded for their lack of oversight or judgement. What hope have kids got of learning personal responsibility when the news is full of adults NOT being personally responsible.

I want to go back to the point I made about the entertainment industry. I think I probably should have said 'media' as well. Kids these days are bombarded left, right and centre with the idea they should be wearing a particularly brand or some such nonsense. It puts a lot of pressure on kids to be or look a particular way, so much more so than when I was a kid, for sure.