Congress Serves Up Chickenhawk Fried Rice

Yesterday, National Security Advisor and Bush loyalist Condeleza Rice was grilled by the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. For hours, Ms. Rice had to endure an assault of tough questions not only from the other side of the aisle, but from her own party, whom, at least somewhat, has turned against this administration's reckless Iraq poicies.

Lead by conservative lawmaker, Chuck Hagel of Nebraska, a chorus of criticizm and affirmations that they were not interested in pursuing the administration's plans of escalating the Iraq war.

Hagel called the Iraq war “the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since Vietnam.” And vowed to resist the plan for any escalation in troop levels.

In one exchange, Hagel called the administration on the ways it had dealt with them and the American people...

Hagel told Rice, “Madame secretary, Iraqis are killing Iraqis. We are in a civil war. This is sectarian violence out of control.”

She disputed that Iraq was in the throes of a civil war. To that, Hagel said, “To sit there and say that, that’s just not true.”

But that trend is nothing new for the administration. Whose claims have been repeadedly refuted by the facts. Let's review...

Before Mr. Bush was elected he said he was no nation builder. Nation building was wrong for America. Now he says it is vital for America. He said he would never have put U.S. troops under foreign control. Today U.S. troops observe Iraqi restrictions.

He told us about WMDs, mobile labs, secret sources, aluminum tubing, yellow cake. He has told us the war is necessary because Saddam was a threat, because of 9/11, because of Osama bin Laden, al Qaeda, because of terrorism in general, to liberate Iraq, to spread freedom, to spread democracy, to keep the oil out of the hands of potentially terrorist controlled states, because this was a guy who tried to kill his dad.

In pushing for and prosecuting this war, he passed on chances to get Abu Musab al Zarqawi, Moqtada al Sadr, Osama bin Laden. He sent in fewer troops than recommended. He disbanded the Iraqi army and deBaathified the government. He short changed Iraqi training. He did not plan for widespread looting, nor the explosion of sectarian violence. He sent in troops without life saving equipment, gave job to foreign contractors and not the Iraqis, staffed U.S. positions in Iraq based on partisanship, not professional experience.

We learned that America had prevailed, mission accomplished, the resistance was in its last throws. He has said that more troops were not necessary and more troops are necessary, and that it‘s up to the generals, and then removed some of the generals who said more troops would be necessary.

He told us of turning points, the fall of Baghdad, the death of Uday and Qusay, the capture of Saddam, a provisional government, the trial of Saddam, a charter, a constitution, an Iraqi government, elections, purple fingers, a new government, the death of Saddam. We would be greeted as liberators with flowers, as they stood up, we would stand down. We would stay the course. We would never stay the course. The enemy was al Qaeda, was foreigners, was terrorist, was Baathists.

The war would pay for itself. It was cost 1.7 billion dollars, 100 billion, 400 billion, half a trillion dollars.

And after all of that, today it is his credibility versus that of generals, diplomats, allies, Republicans, Democrats, the Iraq Study Group, past presidents, voters last November, and the majority of the American people.

Bottom line, this administration has no credibility.

Not to mention, with the revolt of republican Senators like Hagel, brownback, Warner, Voinavich and others, it appears that no filibuster will happen to block any moves the Senate can make to stop this reckless plan, that according to The New York Times (and has not been refuted by anyone) is even against the wishes of the Iraq government themself.

Of course, that should make for another fine lesson in democracy for them and the rest of the middle east.

61% of the Iraq population is ok with us being dead.

Most of the 2008 Presidential nominees are obviously not going to folow in this administration's footsteps.

This all adds up to stopping this escalation of troops and perhaps neding to forceably point this President in the direction the whole country, the majority of military (35% of active military want any increase in troops, 65% don't) and even the Iraqi goverment and people want us to do and LEAVE!

Enough is enough with this irresponsible, neoconservative pipe dream. the only people left defending this policy are the remaining "true believers" who just don't seem capable of seeing reason over rhetoric. The people didn't call for an increase in troops as a "change in direction" but a decrease in them. And it appears that the President is going to make the Congress spank him by using the power of the purse, or other methods to stop his ego driven foolishness. The administration thinks there will be some sort of backlash. That roping in these drunk cowboys are gonna make them look weak.

It won't, as that is soooo 2002.

It will look smart. And that is what winning wars is all about. Not being "tougher" than your enemy, but by being smarrter.





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Reply #1 Top
Yeah, that was the day when all the people who had tried to scare people during the run up to elections by demanding more troops, suddenly started saying that more troops were a bad thing. Chickenhawks, indeed. Bush has fought an unpopular war, sure. In contrast, Dems have shifted whichever way would be more politically beneficial, regardless of the real events. Given the choice, I think I would trust Bush.
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Yeah, that was the day when all the people who had tried to scare people during the run up to elections by demanding more troops, suddenly started saying that more troops were a bad thing

show me where "all these people" said such things.

the only person who has been calling for more troops besides the administration and it's cronies (and even some of them abandoned ship) has been john mccain.

some called for more troops before we went in,,,but they were ignored, "reassigned" or fired. some called for it in the summer of 2005, but the administration rejected it.

i can't remember anyone, aside from mccain and a few others, calling for more troops before the election. especially in any seriously contested election.

correct me if i'm wrong.

Reply #3 Top

"With respect to troops, I still believe we need more troops, and we need a different mixture of troops. I would prefer that they be other than American troops, for all kinds of reasons." -Hillary Clinton 2003


I don't understand how you have such a selective memory. I sat here arguing with Dems who claimed over and over that we didn't have enough troops. I watched Senate hearings where Dems accused the administration of ignoring calls to send more troops. It was the friggin rallying cry for

"Sen. John Kerry, Mr. Bush's Democratic opponent in last year's presidential election, told NBC's "Today" show that the borders of Iraq "are porous" and said "we don't have enough troops" there." 2005.


"I'm going to send him the phone numbers of the very generals and flag officers that I met on Memorial Day when I was in Iraq," the Delaware Democrat said. "There's not enough force on the ground now to mount a real counterinsurgency." Joe Biden 2005


This is just silly, Sean. Who exactly was Bush refusing all those years when he said over and over that we didn't need more troops? You can't have had your head in a hole for 4 years while the Dems whined about more troops, a future draft, etc.






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This is just silly, Sean. Who exactly was Bush refusing all those years when he said over and over that we didn't need more troops? You can't have had your head in a hole for 4 years while the Dems whined about more troops, a future draft, etc.


what is silly is the way you are twisting reality here baker.

you siad "in the run up to the election"

kerry's quote is from 2005, hardly "the run up" as is Biden's. i remember biden also sayng if we don't do it now, it'll be too late. and i think when ya lay his record out on this, completely and within context, he in particular will come off as more consistant than most on this.

and hillary's quote is from 2003 for pete's sake,,,an entire nother election cycle and again, over a year before the election...not the "run up"

furthermore, neither kerry or biden were up for re-election in 2006, nor was hillary in 2004.

Reply #6 Top
Eh... lol, the presidential election was in 2004. There was another election in 2006. I quoted from 2003 and 2005, respectively.

Again, everything is a vacuum. If a Democrat isn't running, then there can't be anything politically motivated in their rhetoric before the biggest congressional election in years. What was I thinking, obviously the only ones with an interest in an election are the ones running, not the bulk of their party who are seeking the white house or a majority...

I don't know why I even bother.



Reply #7 Top
Again, everything is a vacuum. If a Democrat isn't running, then there can't be anything politically motivated in their rhetoric before the biggest congressional election in years. I don't know why I even bother...


that's ridiculous.

and again, i quoted and was talking more about republicans, not democrats.

Reply #8 Top
yep, it's ridiculous that you brush off the quotes because there wasn't an election that particular day, or because you believe Dems with a vested interest in their party counterparts winning wouldn't be playing to the upcoming election.

Re: the blog being about Republicans...

It sounded like the question was one of credibility. I can't see how Bush's opponents in this have any more than Bush. With the exclusion of a handful, all of them have played to the polls, not ideals. Even if Bush is found to be wrong by history, no one can say that he based policy on his approval rating.
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that you brush off the quotes because there wasn't an election that particular day,


no, there wasn't an election that particular year.

you claimed "run up to the election" which was false.

Even if Bush is found to be wrong by history, no one can say that he based policy on his approval rating.


nope, no one could say that. and no one is saying that a president should "govern by polls" like the strawman argument is made. but a goverment of, by and for the people should do what the people want sometimes, and the more this war goes on, the more we find just how much more wrong these guys were and continue to be. sorry, i'm not about to be told that the people who have been wrong about pretty much everything in the prosecution of this war (the lead up to the war a whole nother issue) is all of a sudden right about this. esp when every appointed and commissioned expert, the majority of people, troops et al...believe his policy is wrong.

Reply #10 Top
"no, there wasn't an election that particular year.

you claimed "run up to the election" which was false."


Yep, definitely, no run up to the 2004 election in 2003. No run up to the 2006 election in 2005. There most DEFINITELY won't be any run-up to the 2008 election in 2007, either....

You, maybe just a little crack? Every now and then? LOL...

Reply #11 Top
You, maybe just a little crack? Every now and then? LOL...


well, i guess that's as close as i'll get to a concession,,,crack accusations, how clever and orig. - NOT!

Reply #12 Top
Concession? You're really saying that there is no run-up to an election in the year before? No politicians were working it in 2003 or 2005?. You aren't seeing people declaring candidacy, raising money, etc., right now for the election over a year and a half from now?

Apparently your main mode of operation in any disagreement is to say the opposite, even if it defies reality. For god's sake, don't turn on the news, your fantasy world will crumble, as there are campaigns already underway for 2008. I can't believe you're this naive or ignorant, so I have to believe you're just dishonest.
Reply #13 Top
Concession? You're really saying that there is no run-up to an election in the year before?

by that logic,,,we are always in a "run up to the election" (your term) then as the house is up every 2 years. but unfortunately, the examples you cited were senators, who weren't up for re-election in the next election after the quotes you cite.

i would define "the run up to the election" as the several months preceding it. in this cycle, maybe from around july thru nov. you could be a lil more generous if the situation merits it, but an extra year +? try again....
Reply #14 Top
"by that logic,,,we are always in a "run up to the election" (your term) then as the house is up every 2 years."


No... if you recall the house is the gerrymandered part of congress. Something like 80% of the house doesn't even face an opponent each election. Many of them haven't had an opponent in ages.

The last election was a huge event and... like 30 out of 435 seats actually changed. No, House elections aren't really a big deal to the people sitting in the house unless there is something to be gained.

This time there was, and whether you were party to it or not, the drive in terms of coordinated rhetoric and party offensives were going strong in 2005. Granted, maybe you missed it...

"...the examples you cited were senators, who weren't up for re-election in the next election after the quotes you cite. "


So... obviously they didn't really have in interest in the people who were running... ? It wouldn't mean anything to them to have a majority in Congress or someone sitting in the White House from their party?

So John Kerry speaks only for John Kerry, and when Hillary is out stumping, she's only stumping for herself, and not her party? How are you making these goofy arguments...


"i would define "the run up to the election" as the several months preceding it."


Well, unfortunately, if you watch the news, or watched it last election, or the one before that, the rest of the world starts way ahead of you. It's going right now. Again, maybe you haven't noticed but people are already campaigning...
Reply #15 Top
would define "the run up to the election" as the several months preceding it. in this cycle, maybe from around july thru nov. you could be a lil more generous if the situation merits it, but an extra year +? try again....


Well then.....maybe you'd better "try again"! Check the link

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Reply #16 Top
dr,,,what the hell does this have to do with my article?

is john edwards in the senate? is he on the foreign relations committee?

my article was about REPUBLICANS primarily who lambasted the secretary and the president's policy ...

it wasn't about things said 3 or 5 years ago by democrats. it has nothing to do with john edward's view.

and i could really care less how someone felt about this war years ago. what is important is that republicans are finally waking up and smelling the coffee.

as far as the democrats that have changed their position, i say it's about time. telling me that someone had a different view years ago really doesn't matter to me. my goal is that people stand up against this war today, and tomorrow. because it is wrong. and slowly but surely, i have watched since 2002 as people have come around to realizing that. arguing that someone had a different view on this war years ago means nothing to me. bringing john edwards into an article about how the republicans on the foreign relations committee broke with the administration in a very vocal way is non germaine.

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dr,,,what the hell does this have to do with my article?

is john edwards in the senate? is he on the foreign relations committee?

my article was about REPUBLICANS primarily who lambasted the secretary and the president's policy ...


Then "why" did you post this comment?

would define "the run up to the election" as the several months preceding it. in this cycle, maybe from around july thru nov. you could be a lil more generous if the situation merits it, but an extra year +? try again....


And since you obviously did not bother to even read the article, let me help....
The article was NOT from 3 to 5 years ago! It was from 2006. And according to the article, he plans on running for president! So my comment goes right to your reply about election run-up.
Reply #18 Top
The article was NOT from 3 to 5 years ago! It was from 2006. And according to the article, he plans on running for president! So my comment goes right to your reply about election run-up.


i would hardly consider now to be the "run up to the election." if you want to use that misguided and innacurate terminlogy, fine...but google "run up to the election" and see if the pages found talk about events weeks / months before an election, or years. the term itself "run" (as in sprint) "up to" (to the day of) "the election" (self explanatory) tells you that the term means the events right before an election...not 2 years!!! i am being generous in saying several months, but in actuality, the term really means the last few weeks.


so yes, the edwards article is non germaine and irrelevant.

"3 to 5" years ago refferred to the democratic comments made in 2003 and 2005. for accuracy sake, i should have said 2 to 4 years ago...oops...but the point is the same, and it is still correct. none of those democrats made those statements in "the run up to the election" since they made them in years that had no congressional elections. nor is edwards statements, whatever they may be, being made "in a run up to an election."

by ya'll's logic, every single moment is a "run up to an election" ..which is ridiculous nonsense, just political hackery and shameless spin.
Reply #19 Top
i would hardly consider now to be the "run up to the election." if you want to use that misguided and innacurate terminlogy, fine...but google "run up to the election" and see if the pages found talk about events weeks / months before an election, or years. the term itself "run" (as in sprint) "up to" (to the day of) "the election" (self explanatory) tells you that the term means the events right before an election...not 2 years!!! i am being generous in saying several months, but in actuality, the term really means the last few weeks.


That tells me nothing. Got any hard evidence?
Reply #20 Top
in fact, your article is from december 29th...6 weeks after the congressional elections and virtually 2 years from the next. over a year before the 1st primary...

thus proving the point....

by ya'll's logic, every single moment is a "run up to an election" ..which is ridiculous nonsense, just political hackery and shameless spin.


which was repeating an earlier comment...

by that logic,,,we are always in a "run up to the election" (your term) then as the house is up every 2 years. but unfortunately, the examples you cited were senators, who weren't up for re-election in the next election after the quotes you cite.



bring something relevant to the table or go "buh-bye."


Reply #22 Top
n fact, your article is from december 29th...6 weeks after the congressional elections and virtually 2 years from the next. over a year before the 1st primary...

thus proving the point....


Proves nothing. If you had bothered to read it you would have seen it had absolutely nothing to do with congressional elections. And yeah it was from Dec 29th...but the year was 2006. He states he's going to run for "president". Now how does that tie to anything even remotely about congressional elections?
Reply #23 Top
you are a joke miler.

it proves that he said nothing in a "run up to any election" which was what was being debated....you just don't get it and i have run out of time and patience where you are concerned...buh-bye!
Reply #24 Top
apparantly, some think it's my obligation to go round and round in circles and take the bait of non germaine subjects when the hi-jack attempts are made. they think it is my obligation to then go and research things that are irrelevant or obvious. they offer no proof themselves and just try to distract and distort. and pompously demand that i satsfy all their demands, as if i have the time or interest in humoring them. sometimes i'll play with em, but when fair warning is given, like i give to my children, and it is ignored...i only have one option left. it was exercized after much careful consideration and will be reversed when i feel the childish behavior are realized by the offender.

i used to not believe in blacklisting anyone. but people on this site reccomended the action, and when i did it with mm and baker, afterwards we have found common ground, cooler heads have prevailed and all is well. no, we still don't agree on many issues, but the tone towards me got much more respectful. i also made sure i returned those respectful gestures in kind.

so here, a time out is necessary. just like it is for my children sometimes.

and personal insults, blatant or backhanded won't be tolerated either. if ya wanna insult me on your blog,,,it's your right. but here, no way.