The Illegality of Saddam Hussein's Execution

The whole world has condemned the killing of Saddam Hussein especially the indecent haste with which it was carried out. USA could have shown greater statesmanship by trying Saddam in an International tribunal.

Few images are likely to be more compelling than the picture of a shackled, manacled Saddam Hussein dressed in a dark overcoat calmly walking to the gallows. He was always the defiant one as his name translates in Arabic and he lived up to his name. Not a sign of weakness, not even a nervous twitch as the hangman's noose was fixed round his neck. His lips moving in silent prayer and the dignified manner in which Saddam Hussein faced his death will live in the minds of the Iraqi people. Even his many many enemies have said privately that the grainy images of Saddam's last moments will be his most enduring legacy

I have to agree with this he did not flinch.... that takes some doing when your strongest instinct is to survive.

This act demonstrates the complicity of the US in the judicial murder of Saddam Hussein though for the purpose of public record the US maintains the the "independent" judiciary of the "sovereign" governemnt of Iraq carried out the sentence. It does not behove of an occupying power to send its prisoner to his death when the whole world knows that by any standard of jurisprudence Saddam did not get a free anfd fair trial. Had he been tried by an objective International Tribunal, Saddam Hussein may still have faced a death sentence but the stench of a victor's justice will not vitiate the whole process.

I disagree with this, the US did not murder Hussein.

What was not free and fair about the trial? It was a court of law of the land. How many people died trying to bring this man to justice during that trial?

Why then the indecent haste to push Saddam Hussein into his grave.

Simply because to have him languishing in a prison waiting for the sentence ot be carried out would have been a dangerous thing to do...so many things could go wrong. The sentence was passed and carried out forthwith - no time for appeals and the like...delay tactics.

Oh well...   

Oh well...

oh dear it is a hard day isn't it!

It is called Eid,Bahu---or more exactly Eid ul Adha.

The whole world has condemned the killing of Saddam Hussein especially the indecent haste with which it was carried out

Actually that is false, but regardless it is another reason we could care less about what the world thinks of us. They care more about a brutal dictator than anything else.

Poppycock, Bahu.

This was sectarian justice, Moqtada al-Sadr's name was chanted as he hung.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6220829.stm

Killing Saddam Hussein will not prevent the death of a single US Serviceman or woman. It will not in any sense contribute to the formation of a viable independent government in Iraq. It will not lessen by a single day the reign of violence and sectarian terror now engulfing Iraq.

Why? Because victor's justice, the imposition of the will of an Occupying Power in collusion with collaborators and Quislings, allows to no one that moment of historical reflection, that moment in which the infection of historical hatreds can be lanced and cleansed. Would South Africa have made the progress it has, if not for the proceedings of the Truth and Reconciliation Committee? Personally, I very much doubt it. Killing Hussein provides the Sunnis with a martyr, and a point around which the hatreds that America has constantly under-estimated can coalesce and organize. And you can be certain that those who hate America in Iraq are even now re-writing the history of Saddam's regime so that he will be seen as a noble defender of the Arabs against the godless aggression of the Infidel West.

Hussein committed no crime against America, posed no threat to America, was in fact America's greatest asset in the region and for a long while was a useful client of America - serving as a secular buffer against the medieval fallacies and local aspirations of Iran. Iran, which will as a consequence of the loss of political credit and the ongoing demonstration of utter impotence to crush the so-called 'insurgency', prove far more difficult to deal with than Iraq was in the early and more conventional stages of the war.

But, if you will elect fools to power and then follow them in their folly, you have no one to blame except yourselves when the consequences of their folly, and your own, are poured out upon your heads.

Killing Saddam Hussein will not prevent the death of a single US Serviceman or woman. It will not in any sense contribute to the formation of a viable independent government in Iraq. It will not lessen by a single day the reign of violence and sectarian terror now engulfing Iraq. Why? Because victor's justice, the imposition of the will of an Occupying Power in collusion with collaborators and Quislings, allows to no one that moment of historical reflection, that moment in which the infection of historical hatreds can be lanced and cleansed. Would South Africa have made the progress it has, if not for the proceedings of the Truth and Reconciliation Committee? Personally, I very much doubt it. Killing Hussein provides the Sunnis with a martyr, and a point around which the hatreds that America has constantly under-estimated can coalesce and organize. And you can be certain that those who hate America in Iraq are even now re-writing the history of Saddam's regime so that he will be seen as a noble defender of the Arabs against the godless aggression of the Infidel West. Hussein committed no crime against America, posed no threat to America, was in fact America's greatest asset in the region and for a long while was a useful client of America - serving as a secular buffer against the medieval fallacies and local aspirations of Iran. Iran, which will as a consequence of the loss of political credit and the ongoing demonstration of utter impotence to crush the so-called 'insurgency', prove far more difficult to deal with than Iraq was in the early and more conventional stages of the war. But, if you will elect fools to power and then follow them in their folly, you have no one to blame except yourselves when the consequences of their folly, and your own, are poured out upon your heads.

For once, (slightly shocking myself realizing such) I agree with you.

Peace, ~Lucas

I disagree with this, the US did not murder Hussein.

The USA held Saddam as a PoW and under international law is responsible for his safety and well being. Instead the US military handed him over to the Sadr Death Squad which mocked and taunted him as he went to his death. And please do not make the argument that a "Free Democratic" and Soverign Governemnt tried and sentenced Saddam Hussein to death. It was a farcical, one sided and a totally unfair trial.

Simply because to have him languishing in a prison waiting for the sentence ot be carried out would have been a dangerous thing to do...so many things could go wrong

Simply because to have him languishing in a prison waiting for the sentence ot be carried out would have been a dangerous thing to do...so many things could go wrong

So you seem to agree that the haste with which the dark deed of judicial murder was carried out was only an act of convienience.

They care more about a brutal dictator than anything else.

Now if Saddam Hussein deserved to hang then what is the punishment for the rulers of so called democratic countries who invaded an Independent country on the false pretext of finding WMD and then caused the death of nearly 650 000 civilians.

Hussein committed no crime against America, posed no threat to America, was in fact America's greatest asset in the region and for a long while was a useful client of America - serving as a secular buffer against the medieval fallacies and local aspirations of Iran

Hussein committed no crime against America, posed no threat to America, was in fact America's greatest asset in the region and for a long while was a useful client of America - serving as a secular buffer against the medieval fallacies and local aspirations of Iran I agree that Iraq was backed to the hilt by the USA when the alleged crimes against humanity were carried out.

By handing over Saddam Hussein, a POW, to the Sadr Death Squad the USA has once again did an "EXTRAORDINARY RENDITION"

Bahu, is there no end to your Anti American bigotry. Hussein was tried and convicted by the laws of Iraq... and executed by the same.

It's too bad you weren't a Kurd under Hussein's "leadership" then your bigotry would have choked to death with you as your hero laughed while you died.

It is people like you who made the "Final Solution" possible.

When is your turn to become a martyr for anti US terrorism? When will you don the vest and kill innocent women and children in America? I bet you are living for the day you get to blow yourself up in the name of your hatred for me and my fellow Americans.

Why then the indecent haste to push Saddam Hussein into his grave.

Can't agree with you here. If someone is sentenced, the consequenses should be carried out in a swift manner. We aren't debating if he DID do what he is convicted of. You admited as much yourself. So quit making up reasons to blame America for it's existence.

Why then the indecent haste to push Saddam Hussein into his grave. Can't agree with you here. If someone is sentenced, the consequenses should be carried out in a swift manner. We aren't debating if he DID do what he is convicted of. You admited as much yourself. So quit making up reasons to blame America for it's existence.

Bravo! Well said.

I have to wonder...would your reaction have been so emotional and sympathetic if it had been GWB getting the noose? Saddam was captured in Iraq, held in iraq and tried in Iraq by a court of Iraqi law and sentenced to death by an Iraqi court. For far less than he should have been. Over 400,000 deaths---of his own people---have been attributed to him. He's lucky hanging is all he got.

P.S. It is post #12 that is breaking the page. There is a mistyped quote tag. Delete the farked tag and the table tags at the end of the quote and you should be fine.

Again with the arguing out of both sides of the mouth. The US captured him, and then turned him over to a sovereign, not puppet, government. for the US to have intervened at this late stage would have negated the whole concept of self determination.

But then logic is not one of your strong points. Damned if you do and damned if you dont is your forte'. Quite simply, the US toppled him, captured him, and then turned him over to his own people for them to do Justice with. Their justice is not our justice, but then if it was, then they would be puppets and (as you have already avered) a farce.

You cant have it both ways. But you seem to want it that way as long as you can trash the US. The only reason this is in English and not German or Japanese is not due to Mahatma Ghandi. But the US GI you despise so much.

Have some sauerkraut on Herr Hitler.

They care more about a brutal dictator than anything else.

You're so full of shit, no wonder it seeps out through your pie hole.

"The violence in Iraq will now escalate beyond all sustainable levels."---Bahu



You'd like that a lot, wouldn't you?

Actually, no....it's been what, four days now, since Saddam got the ole Trapdoor Treatment....the ole "Dangle n' Strangle"....and I heard on the radio that they're surprised at how there's been no more violence than has been usual.



And by the way....according to recent crime statistics, it's more violent and dangerous in Washington, DC and NYC than it is in Baghdad. Should we declare defeat and pull out of there, too?

The whole world has condemned the killing of Saddam Hussein especially the indecent haste with which it was carried out.

---Bahu

So what if they have? Did any of them come to his aid? Try to intervene on his behalf? No.....in the words of the newscaster from the "South Park" movie....

"It's been nine months since Saddam Hussein was killed by a herd of wild boars, and the world is still glad to be rid of him." Amen.
I hope he's enjoying having anal sex with Satan. "C'mon, babe...let's git busy!"

You know, I recall a post you made a while back----and if it wasn't you, I apologize, but I'm sure it was----about what a terrible crime it is that Americans let their Death Row inmates sit there for years and years, thinking about what's coming. About how it was torture to do so and how we should just do them in as soon as they're sentenced. So which is it? It's a crime to kill'em quick only when you sympathize with them, right?

Bahu, is there no end to your Anti American bigotry. Hussein was tried and convicted by the laws of Iraq... and executed by the same.

I am afraid you are wrong. There is nothing anti -American in my post, it is a factual assessment of the existing law. Saddam Hussein was a PoW under the charge of the USA. If he had to be tried it had to be in an International Tribunal, not a Shiaa dominated Kangaroo court where in the basic tenet of Anglo_Saxon justicee was denied.

Second the fact that Saddam committed all his crimes when he was a staunch ally of the USA during the Iran-Iraq war in the 1980's suggests that he was executed for crimes in which the complicity of theUS will be difficult to sustain. In fact in his chemical attack on the Kurds and the Iranians at Habjala during the Iran Iraq war, Saddam obtained the chemical from West Germany after obtaining the sanction of USA. Kindly brush up on the facts.

You'd like that a lot, wouldn't you?

You are wrong. I want Iraq to be in peace and I'm afraid that the UISA has strirred up things so much that the sectarian divide has now become solidified. The Execution was carried out by a giovernment dominated by the Shiaa and whose leader al Malaki of the Dawaa Gang took refuge in Iran during the Iran_Iraq War and the 1982 assasination atttempt at Dujail was masterminded by al Maliki and his gang. Themen who were killed at Dujail treceived as faitr a trial as did Saddam Hussein and the Chief Justice, Bander has also been sentenced to death. If there is anatioanlist governemnt in Iraq the fate of the present crew will be no different from that of Saddam.

Saddam was captured in Iraq, held in iraq and tried in Iraq by a court of Iraqi law and sentenced to death by an Iraqi court. For far less than he should have been

Saddam was captured by the US military and held as a PoW by the US military. He by the definition of the Geneva Convention and the recent G'Bay judegement of the US Supreme Court was an enemy combatant and hence the USA should have tried him on its own or in an INternatioanl Tribunal. Since US war against Iraq itself is illegal the US administration undet George II thought it prudent to hand over Saddam to the Sadr death Squad for execution. The international prestige of the USA has sunk to lower depths.

The law was retospectively amended and trial procedures changed tetoactively top make Sadda,s actions at Dujail punishable by death. You seem to forget that the Dujail incident took place when the Iran -Iraq war was raging with all its fury and the 1982 assination attempt was made by al Maliki and his Dawaa Gang at the behest of the Iraninas. So there is not much ruth in the charge that Saddam was personally responsile for the deaths.

Again with the arguing out of both sides of the mouth. The US captured him, and then turned him over to a sovereign, not puppet, government. for the US to have intervened at this late stage would have negated the whole concept of self determination

The USA turned him over the night before he died and it turned him over to a Shiaa death Squad that taunted and mocked a man as he was being led to the gallows. Not many would agree twith you that the present Iraqi government is a sovereign governemnt. It does not control its own territory and that is the first attibute of sovereignity.

You're so full of shit, no wonder it seeps out through your pie hole.

Nice reply, but my resopnse is still correct. 

You're so full of shit, no wonder it seeps out through your pie hole.

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Why does everything you type have to be vile, vulgar and just plain nasty? Oh, that's right...you're a liberal. Case dismissed.