Senators Blow off First Amendment

It seems that the first amendment does not apply to our senators.

In a missive to the C.E.O. of ExxonMobil, Rex Tillerson, Senators Olympia Snowe {R-ME] and Jay Rockefeller [D-WV] DEMAND that Exxonmobil stop funding "think tanks" that challenge the Senators opinion of the causes of todays climate change.

In the letter they state that "global warming exists and humans are largely if not totally responsible for global warming". By doing this our two Senators have decreed that their opinion is not to be questioned and that theirs is the final word on this subject. Also that any other "facts are just myths".

The Senators claimed that by funding debates and studies that questions the degree to which global warming is affected by humans is wreaking havoc on United States credibility abroad and is confusing the scientific community.

In the letter Exxonmobil was also asked to pay reparations for results that did not agree with the Senators beliefs. What gall these two senators have!

This is part one of a two part article on global warming and these two Senators, so filled with themselves that they think they know much more than the entire scientific community and is willing to shove aside the first amendment which part of it guaranteed free speech and demand that Exxonmobil silence themselves and silence anyone else that disagrees with Snowe and Rockefeller.

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Wow I had no idea that we Senators who were omniscient.

"global warming exists and humans are largely if not totally responsible for global warming".


That's quite a statement considering a large amount of scientific study on the history of the global climate suggests that warming is a natural part of the global climate's cycle and is due in large part of solar cycles combined with fluctuations in the Earth's magnetic field and seems to ignore the fact that the total human output of greenhouse gases amounts to only about 2% of the total greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.
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These memes are useful for garnering the all-important "idiot vote".
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cmon mm,,,you are playing a little fast and loose with your quotes there...i read the letter and maybe i missed it, but nowhere did i see them say what you said they did. i did see how it could be SPUN that way. here's the ACTUAL letter...

October 27, 2006

Mr. Rex W. Tillerson
Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
ExxonMobil Corporation
5959 Las Colinas Boulevard
Irving, TX 75039


Dear Mr. Tillerson:

Allow us to take this opportunity to congratulate you on your first year as Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of the ExxonMobil Corporation. You will become the public face of an undisputed leader in the world energy industry, and a company that plays a vital role in our national economy. As that public face, you will have the ability and responsibility to lead ExxonMobil toward its rightful place as a good corporate and global citizen.

We are writing to appeal to your sense of stewardship of that corporate citizenship as U.S. Senators concerned about the credibility of the United States in the international community, and as Americans concerned that one of our most prestigious corporations has done much in the past to adversely affect that credibility. We are convinced that ExxonMobil’s longstanding support of a small cadre of global climate change skeptics, and those skeptics’ access to and influence on government policymakers, have made it increasingly difficult for the United States to demonstrate the moral clarity it needs across all facets of its diplomacy.

Obviously, other factors complicate our foreign policy. However, we are persuaded that the climate change denial strategy carried out by and for ExxonMobil has helped foster the perception that the United States is insensitive to a matter of great urgency for all of mankind, and has thus damaged the stature of our nation internationally. It is our hope that under your leadership, ExxonMobil would end its dangerous support of the “deniers.” Likewise, we look to you to guide ExxonMobil to capitalize on its significant resources and prominent industry position to assist this country in taking its appropriate leadership role in promoting the technological innovation necessary to address climate change and in fashioning a truly global solution to what is undeniably a global problem.

While ExxonMobil’s activity in this area is well-documented, we are somewhat encouraged by developments that have come to light during your brief tenure. We fervently hope that reports that ExxonMobil intends to end its funding of the climate change denial campaign of the Competitive Enterprise Institute (CEI) are true. Similarly, we have seen press reports that your British subsidiary has told the Royal Society, Great Britain’s foremost scientific academy, that ExxonMobil will stop funding other organizations with similar purposes. However, a casual review of available literature, as performed by personnel for the Royal Society reveals that ExxonMobil is or has been the primary funding source for the “skepticism” of not only CEI, but for dozens of other overlapping and interlocking front groups sharing the same obfuscation agenda. For this reason, we share the goal of the Royal Society that ExxonMobil “come clean” about its past denial activities, and that the corporation take positive steps by a date certain toward a new and more responsible corporate citizenship.

ExxonMobil is not alone in jeopardizing the credibility and stature of the United States. Large corporations in related industries have joined ExxonMobil to provide significant and consistent financial support of this pseudo-scientific, non-peer reviewed echo chamber. The goal has not been to prevail in the scientific debate, but to obscure it. This climate change denial confederacy has exerted an influence out of all proportion to its size or relative scientific credibility. Through relentless pressure on the media to present the issue “objectively,” and by challenging the consensus on climate change science by misstating both the nature of what “consensus” means and what this particular consensus is, ExxonMobil and its allies have confused the public and given cover to a few senior elected and appointed government officials whose positions and opinions enable them to damage U.S. credibility abroad.

Climate change denial has been so effective because the “denial community” has mischaracterized the necessarily guarded language of serious scientific dialogue as vagueness and uncertainty. Mainstream media outlets, attacked for being biased, help lend credence to skeptics’ views, regardless of their scientific integrity, by giving them relatively equal standing with legitimate scientists. ExxonMobil is responsible for much of this bogus scientific “debate” and the demand for what the deniers cynically refer to as “sound science.”

A study to be released in November by an American scientific group will expose ExxonMobil as the primary funder of no fewer than 29 climate change denial front groups in 2004 alone. Besides a shared goal, these groups often featured common staffs and board members. The study will estimate that ExxonMobil has spent more than $19 million since the late 1990s on a strategy of “information laundering,” or enabling a small number of professional skeptics working through scientific-sounding organizations to funnel their viewpoints through non-peer-reviewed websites such as Tech Central Station. The Internet has provided ExxonMobil the means to wreak its havoc on U.S. credibility, while avoiding the rigors of refereed journals. While deniers can easily post something calling into question the scientific consensus on climate change, not a single refereed article in more than a decade has sought to refute it.

Indeed, while the group of outliers funded by ExxonMobil has had some success in the court of public opinion, it has failed miserably in confusing, much less convincing, the legitimate scientific community. Rather, what has emerged and continues to withstand the carefully crafted denial strategy is an insurmountable scientific consensus on both the problem and causation of climate change. Instead of the narrow and inward-looking universe of the deniers, the legitimate scientific community has developed its views on climate change through rigorous peer-reviewed research and writing across all climate-related disciplines and in virtually every country on the globe.

Where most scientists’ dispassionate review of the facts has moved past acknowledgement to mitigation strategies, ExxonMobil’s contribution the overall politicization of science has merely bolstered the views of U.S. government officials satisfied to do nothing. Rather than investing in the development of technologies that might see us through this crisis – and which may rival the computer as a wellspring of near-term economic growth around the world - ExxonMobil and its partners in denial have manufactured controversy, sown doubt, and impeded progress with strategies all-too reminiscent of those used by the tobacco industry for so many years. The net result of this unfortunate campaign has been a diminution of this nation’s ability to act internationally, and not only in environmental matters.

In light of the adverse impacts still resulting from your corporation’s activities, we must request that ExxonMobil end any further financial assistance or other support to groups or individuals whose public advocacy has contributed to the small, but unfortunately effective, climate change denial myth. Further, we believe ExxonMobil should take additional steps to improve the public debate, and consequently the reputation of the United States. We would recommend that ExxonMobil publicly acknowledge both the reality of climate change and the role of humans in causing or exacerbating it. Second, ExxonMobil should repudiate its climate change denial campaign and make public its funding history. Finally, we believe that there would be a benefit to the United States if one of the world’s largest carbon emitters headquartered here devoted at least some of the money it has invested in climate change denial pseudo-science to global remediation efforts. We believe this would be especially important in the developing world, where the disastrous effects of global climate change are likely to have their most immediate and calamitous impacts.

Each of us is committed to seeing the United States officially reengage and demonstrate leadership on the issue of global climate change. We are ready to work with you and any other past corporate sponsor of the denial campaign on proactive strategies to promote energy efficiency, to expand the use of clean, alternative, and renewable fuels, to accelerate innovation to responsibly extend the useful life of our fossil fuel reserves, and to foster greater understanding of the necessity of action on a truly global scale before it is too late.

Sincerely,



John D. Rockefeller IV Olympia Snowe

Cc:
J. Stephen Simon Reatha Clark King
Walter V. Shipley William R. Howell
Samuel J. Palmisano James R. Houghton
Marilyn Carlson Nelson William W. George
Henry A. McKinnell, Jr. Michael J. Boskin
Philip E. Lippincott


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btw,,,my source for the actual letter was snowe's website,,,what was your source? im curious as ... a) i see nowhere where their "right to free speech" is threatened b) see no "demands" about reparations. i do see "requests" that their new CEO (to whom the letter is addressed) do better than predecesors in acting more responsible and stopping their "pseudo-science" politically motivated rhetoric and maybe getting on (again , as they see it) the "right" side of this debate. c) don't see the quote that you used in the letter at all. (it's a liong boring letter, maybe i missed it)
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Reply By: Sean Conners, a.k.a. SConn1

 

" Finally, we believe that there would be a benefit to the United States if one of the world’s largest carbon emitters headquartered here devoted at least some of the money it has invested in climate change denial pseudo-science to global remediation efforts. We believe this would be especially important in the developing world, where the disastrous effects of global climate change are likely to have their most immediate and calamitous impacts. "

I believe this is a thinly disguised demand for money.

 

"Obviously, other factors complicate our foreign policy. However, we are persuaded that the climate change denial strategy carried out by and for ExxonMobil has helped foster the perception that the United States is insensitive to a matter of great urgency for all of mankind, and has thus damaged the stature of our nation internationally. It is our hope that under your leadership, ExxonMobil would end its dangerous support of the “deniers.” "

And this is the we are right and you stfu.



 

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to sean... My source was the letter from another sight that did not agree with the letter and took it apart paragraph by paragraph.. I just happen to agree with them,. BTW thank you for fucking up my part two.
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Reply By: MasonMPosted: Friday, December 29, 2006
Wow I had no idea that we Senators who were omniscient.

"global warming exists and humans are largely if not totally responsible for global warming".


That's quite a statement considering a large amount of scientific study on the history of the global climate suggests that warming is a natural part of the global climate's cycle and is due in large part of solar cycles combined with fluctuations in the Earth's magnetic field and seems to ignore the fact that the total human output of greenhouse gases amounts to only about 2% of the total greenhouse gases in the atmosphere.

yeh we can ignore all the millions of years of heating up and cooling down, they were just all coincidence.

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Reply By: greywarPosted: Friday, December 29, 2006
These memes are useful for garnering the all-important "idiot vote".

Fortunatly there was a Republican and a democrat so no one can say I was democrat bashing again.

Reply #9 Top
"global warming exists and humans are largely if not totally responsible for global warming".


where is that quote in the letter actually?

and how did i fuck up your part 2? sorry (really, if i did)

and i never accused ya of democrat bashing...you just know how big i am on facts and fact checking. can ya provide a link to your source,,,i'm not being skeptical that you have one, i just want to read their actual perspective.

did you read the actual letter or did you go off the comments made by your source when writing this article? just curious...
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ExxonMobil is not alone in jeopardizing the credibility and stature of the United States.
ExxonMobil would end its dangerous support of the “deniers.”
We are convinced that ExxonMobil’s longstanding support of a small cadre of global climate change skeptics, and those skeptics’ access to and influence on government policymakers, have made it increasingly difficult for the United States to demonstrate the moral clarity it needs across all facets of its diplomacy.

Gee, 3 paragraphs into it and I have already destroyed your "denier" with their statements.  Guess English is not your first language.

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(Citizen)Sean Conners, a.k.a. SConn1December 29, 2006 16:54:37


"global warming exists and humans are largely if not totally responsible for global warming".


where is that quote in the letter actually?


"We would recommend that ExxonMobil publicly acknowledge both the reality of climate change and the role of humans in causing or exacerbating it."

from the body of the letter itself.

I compiled my article from reading the letter, then the article taking the letter apart, made an informed decision About what I believed, then wrote this article.

I no longer have the sitelink sean, sorry.
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Pretty ballsy letter, one that leaves me even less impressed with Rockefeller & Snowe than I was before, which wasn't much. Gender aside, what arrogant pricks. The notion that the only science to be considered is "official" science and that "unapproved" research is to be strong-armed out of existence is a scary one. Without intent to elevate doubters of global warming as an exclusively human-caused phenomenon to undeserved heights: Galileo, anyone?

Of course, should the letter become controversial or any sort of political liability at any point, I'm sure we'll learn it was the product of "overzealous staffers," not the Senators themselves.  
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Reply By: DaiwaPosted: Saturday, December 30, 2006
Pretty ballsy letter, one that leaves me even less impressed with Rockefeller & Snowe than I was before, which wasn't much. Gender aside, what arrogant pricks. The notion that the only science to be considered is "official" science and that "unapproved" research is to be strong-armed out of existence is a scary one. Without intent to elevate doubters of global warming as an exclusively human-caused phenomenon to undeserved heights: Galileo, anyone?

Of course, should the letter become controversial or any sort of political liability at any point, I'm sure we'll learn it was the product of "overzealous staffers," not the Senators themselves.

this is the very essence of my article, the unmitigated nerve of these two Senators to write such a letter that is clearly a warning to exxonmobil to NOT DO SO AGAIN or to not support anyone that does so. Clearly stomping all over the first amendment.

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There are of course some limits to what one can get away with in the name of science - eugenics experiments and Dr. Mengele come immediately to mind. But the research Exxon has supported (not exclusively, BTW - there are other sources of funding besides oil companies) comes nowhere near approaching such limits.

On a side note, certainly Rockefeller has little, if any, first-hand experience in the "real" world inhabited by Tillerson - he's been in "public service" since graduating from Harvard. From Snowe's bio, doesn't appear she has any such experience, either. That doesn't render them incapable of an informed opinion, just makes those opinions legitimately subject to questioning. And it is particularly ironic that a Rockefeller would be calling out the head of a megacompany.

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On a side note, certainly Rockefeller has little, if any, first-hand experience in the "real" world inhabited by Tillerson - he's been in "public service" since graduating from Harvard. From Snowe's bio, doesn't appear she has any such experience, either. That doesn't render them incapable of an informed opinion, just makes those opinions legitimately subject to questioning. And it is particularly ironic that a Rockefeller would be calling out the head of a megacompany.
Reply By: DaiwaPosted: Sunday, December 31, 2006

I seem to remember the name rockefeller being synonomous with chase banks and all that entails.

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actual quote...
"We would recommend that ExxonMobil publicly acknowledge both the reality of climate change and the role of humans in causing or exacerbating it."


quote you used...
"global warming exists and humans are largely if not totally responsible for global warming".




so, what you are saying is that the quote that you used in the article is innacurate.

their quote does ask the public acknowledgement of global warmings existence, but nowhere in that quote does it say that humans "are largely if not totally resonsible for it."

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(Citizen)Sean Conners, a.k.a. SConn1January 1, 2007 12:05:54


so, what you are saying is that the quote that you used in the article is innacurate.

their quote does ask the public acknowledgement of global warmings existence, but nowhere in that quote does it say that humans "are largely if not totally resonsible for it."


yes you are right I used my words for their quote. what is your point? Their words, my definition of what I read.
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yes you are right I used my words for their quote. what is your point?


my point is that doing that is shoddy and purposefully misleading writing, not to menton just plain lying.

Their words, my definition of what I read.


and your definition couldn't be further from the truth. at best, you are essentially defending the "right" to yell "fire" in a movie theater, which isn't covered under the 1st ammendment at all. in case ya hadn't noticed, the "global warming" and "is it real" debate is over...it is real. we can debate causes and possible solutions and whatnot...but the planet definitely is warming. even the bushies are finally acknowledging that.

and there may be good cause to criticize this letter, but you overreached by a mile.

you, in effect, did the same thing that the pundits against global warming have been doing for years...throw as much crap at the other side while avoiding the actual issue and science behind global warming. you went for a "free speech" attack, which doesn't hold an ounce of water on even the 1st inspection.

this is one of those political battles, that like terry shaivo, the more "science" that comes in, the more it shows the conservatives fighting them to be wrong.

on the other hand (i really didn't intend to attack you in this thread, so it's only right i throw ya a bone...) i am surprised more conservatives don't use science when debating abortion. i have been traditionally pro choice as far as legislation even tho personally abortion repulses me. i have always, in the end, supported the woman's right to choose and make her own decisions without fear of legal repricution. but it seems in that battle, at least, science is the conservative's best friend, as the "viability" (i hope i'm using the right term there) of the fetus is being shown to be apparent earlier and earlier the more that comes in.

take care:)
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(Citizen)Sean Conners, a.k.a. SConn1January 2, 2007 18:40:45


yes you are right I used my words for their quote. what is your point?


my point is that doing that is shoddy and purposefully misleading writing, not to menton just plain lying.


will accept that to you it is misleading.. shoddy to you ok on that too.. as for lieing now you are just trying to hurt. please refrain from that.

and there may be good cause to criticize this letter, but you overreached by a mile.


I do not think I over reached at all, but that is what makes life intresting differing points of view.

you, in effect, did the same thing that the pundits against global warming have been doing for years...throw as much crap at the other side while avoiding the actual issue and science behind global warming. you went for a "free speech" attack, which doesn't hold an ounce of water on even the 1st inspection.


Anytime anyone warn you about who you may support because they are in conflict with your beliefs it is a free speech issue IMO>

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as for lieing now you are just trying to hurt. please refrain from that.


ok,,,i don't think you lied...i'm not trying to start a pissing contest, lol...but ya gotta realize that what you did is a no-no in the world of journalistic reporting.
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(Citizen)Sean Conners, a.k.a. SConn1January 2, 2007 19:42:38


ok,,,i don't think you lied...i'm not trying to start a pissing contest, lol...but ya gotta realize that what you did is a no-no in the world of journalistic reporting.


two years ago when I first came here I could not spell, nor could I form sentences, grammar and punctuation were something unknown to me and still give me trouble, truly I am the average joe this site was created for.
Reply #22 Top
just remember that when you use quotes and say that something is "stated" by someone, then they had better be the exact words they used. there are ways people use to shorten or abbreviate quotes like using summation words in parenthesis or using "..." to get rid of nongermaine fluff. and other stuff. of course, some use these thechniques to change the meantings and take people out of context with these methods, that's why i like to check quotes that others cite.

what you should have said in the orig. article was that is how you interpreted their words, not what they "stated" and then used a quoted statement inferring that was exactly what they said.

take care man:)
Reply #23 Top
(Citizen)Sean Conners


Just remember. I am your boss, so You say what I want you to say. Dont like it? Fine, I cant fire you for not saying what I want you to. Oh, but wait. You did not dot thaT I. What about that T?

Now, do you want to speak your mind, or what I tell you to?

Dont be a moron! Read the above or just be one. His premise is right. His paraphrases are right. Or are you now saying the lords of london cant read english as well?

Geez! Stop being a robot! Or maybe try not to be one in your life?
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"We would recommend that ExxonMobil publicly acknowledge both the reality of climate change and the role of humans in causing or exacerbating it."


I'd have no argument with them had that been all they said, and had they said it in some public forum. But to seek out the CEO of a company and say, in so many words, "Our science or else, buddy." is a different matter.

There is no doubt about the existence of global warming; it's been here before and it's here again. There's also not much doubt about human activity exacerbating it. The legitimate argument revolves around 2 issues: 1) how much of a contribution to the warming trend is man-made (meaning potentially reversible by active means), and 2) the likely impact of efforts to reverse or mitigate that man-made contribution.

I doubt that Tillerson considers global warming per se a myth, but I bet he doubts that we (can) have as much of an impact on it as, say, Al Gore.

Reply #25 Top
guy....huh?...whatever bud....keep attackin, lol

daiwa...now there was a lil more intelligent analysis of the letter. i disagree with the "our science or else" premise, as i don't read it that way. the letter does strongly encourage the new CEO to take a new path from his predecessors, but i see no threats of anything there.

and daiwa, since at least snowe's people did publicly release this letter (i don't know if rockefeller's site had it) featuring it on the front page of the senator's webpage.

if any of ya'll had even bothered to do a little fact checking, you would have come across the actual letter on her site. there, and only there (from what i have found) is the only "demand" that is made. it's not in the letter. it's on the headline on the senator's site. the headline reads "ROCKEFELLER AND SNOWE DEMAND THAT EXXON MOBIL END FUNDING OF CAMPAIGN THAT DENIES GLOBAL CLIMATE CHANGE
Senators Demand that the World’s Largest Oil Maker Make Public Its History of Funding Climate Change “Skeptics”"


from there, the website issues a press release and further describes what they want from the new CEO (which is the equivalent of people wanting nixon to declare "i am a crook" or getting bush to admit that Iraq was a mistake,,,ain't gonna happen). but there are no threats made at all, despite the site's boisterous headline. if anyone had even bothered to check, that would have brought up.

but instead, i get more personal attacks that have nothing to do with this story. big surprise there...

and btw,,,this letter is nothing new,,,it was sent out on october 30th...real crack reporting goin on there, lol.

it's obvious that moderateman didn't research this article at all and doesn't really understand the issue. all that happened here was a punditlike parrot of another pundit without any understnding of the facts. but in all fairness, mm has written some good stuff recently on other things. his article on schlessinger and the bible was good stuff. nothing new, but good stuff and right on point, imho. there have been some other good things too. this just wasn't one of them, imho.

this was more like a pavlovian response (as was the personal attacks from ol guy there...) than a well researched article.