New Film will show Jesus is Black

Doesn't matter to me. I could live with a black Jesus. I don't for a moment think He was, though, given his status as a Jew. I understand that some people believe the original Jews were black, and others portray them more as Arabic.

I don't think anyone can really know, though. Iranians, for example, aren't Arabic. If you placed many of them in an American setting you wouldn't know they weren't caucasian. Actually, I guess they are cuacasian in the indo-European sense.

Racially, the Middle East has changed dramatically over the last couple of thousand years. Conquests of various empires changed the racial characteristics in regional Italy and Spain as well. There was a push in the late 20th century by some activist educators to pose that "white" is fairly rare and recent in world history.

It isn't, though. 3000 year old Mummies have been found in Asia whose hair and skin and features are unmistakably caucasian. The images we have from early greece most certainly don't depict the inhabitants there as black. Even in Egypt there is contrast in images of people with very dark skin from other places and the inhabitants there.

I see the black-ification of history much like the gay-ification. Around the same time some were trying to say every major historical figure they could find was gay. I have no doubt some were, but it doesn't do history any good to try and slant reality toward how you want it to look. We should have learned that from Hitler.

I guess portraying Him as Black isn't much different than painting a man born in Jerusalem with blonde hair and blue eyes.  I know there will be people who have a major problem with it though, but I'd want to hear the reason first.  If they merely chose a Black actor this time, then no big deal, but if they chose the actor specifically to raise the controversy then I don't see how they are any less racist than the people who will protest.

According to the article, our country will be 'traumatized' because of this.

Then the author of the article is an ass. There may be some die hard racists who will be upset over it, but I hardly think the country will be traumatized.

According to the article, America is the only country where black people worship a white Jesus. In Africa he is black, in Japan he is Japanese.

What about Latin America?  But like the others said, it really does not matter.  And while it will piss off some people, I doubt the country will be 'traumatized' by it.  Besides, there are very few "pure" race people in this country when you come right down to it. 

Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Tuesday, October 31, 2006Doesn't matter to me. I could live with a black Jesus. I don't for a moment think He was, though, given his status as a Jew. I understand that some people believe the original Jews were black, and others portray them more as Arabic.

That's good Baker. I think it won't matter to a lot of people too. Interesting point that he probably wasn't because he was Jewish, and yes there were and are Jews who are black.

don't think anyone can really know, though. Iranians, for example, aren't Arabic. If you placed many of them in an American setting you wouldn't know they weren't caucasian. Actually, I guess they are cuacasian in the indo-European sense.

This is true.

I see the black-ification of history much like the gay-ification. Around the same time some were trying to say every major historical figure they could find was gay. I have no doubt some were, but it doesn't do history any good to try and slant reality toward how you want it to look.

True, I agree that history shouldn't be 'toyed' with to make it reflect reality. However, there are some cases where history does not depict reality in it's racial makeup. I believe a lot of the changes that have been made to some movies and documentation of history is to correct this.

If they merely chose a Black actor this time, then no big deal, but if they chose the actor specifically to raise the controversy then I don't see how they are any less racist than the people who will protest.

I agree with you on this Ted. It certainly wouldn't look good if this is their reason for doing this movie.

Then the author of the article is an ass.

That he may be M!! I guess he has to make his article interesting uh?!

There may be some die hard racists who will be upset over it, but I hardly think the country will be traumatized.

I was surprised he used the word traumatized, yes, there will be a few who will be upset, hopefully not to the extreme, but traumatized, maybe not.

Reply By: little-whipPosted: Tuesday, October 31, 2006Sounds to me like a great marketing ploy, ala The Last Temptation or The Passion of the Christ. LoL, even Jesus Christ, Superstar, as mild as it seems by today's standards, caused quite a bit of ruckus when first released because it portrayed Jesus as the original hippie.

You're proabably right Whip. They're definately getting some PR for the movie this way. Like I mentioned I didnt' hear about it before and the movie opens in a couple of days.

It's always amusing to watch humans try to categorize the uncategorizable, to comprehend the incomprehensible, to concieve the inconceivable.So many Gods, so little time...

Haha...

I'll wait for the dvd, I think, if I bother at all.

Likewise. I don't think I'll go out to buy it either, rental, yep.

What about Latin America?

From what I've seen of pictures of Jesus in Latino homes, he's either White or Latino.

Besides, there are very few "pure" race people in this country when you come right down to it.

Now that's opening a whole new barrel right there!

everytime i see people debating this, i think of Dogma and "Buddy Christ"

Reply By: Sean Conners, a.k.a. SConn1Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2006everytime i see people debating this, i think of Dogma and "Buddy Christ"

Haha...thanks for the reminder Sean! I really enjoy Kevin Smith's movies and Dogma was one of those that was over the top and quite funny! I quite enjoyed Alanis Morisette in that role, quite innovative if you ask me!

We all know Jesus was a woman.

Reply By: Dan Greene(Anonymous User)Posted: Tuesday, October 31, 2006We all know Jesus was a woman.

No Dan, Jesus is a man. Now God on the other hand....that fact is open for debate! [said quite tongue in cheek!]

From what I've seen of pictures of Jesus in Latino homes, he's either White or Latino.

The reason I asked is that I have seen a lot of statues of Jesus in Latin houses, and never once noticed if he was white or brown.

The reason I asked is that I have seen a lot of statues of Jesus in Latin houses, and never once noticed if he was white or brown.

ohhh...I think brown mostly. Sometimes it's difficult to tell.

You know, the interesting part is while I've seen Jesus in black and brown, has anyone seen a Mary that wasn't lily white? I have a feeling that a black Mary will tick some people off even more than a black Jesus.

I've heard of the 'black madonnas', but like the article said I don't think they are intended to be african black, are they? Call me nuts, but I still say you'll hear a bigger stink about a black (african) Mary. The article says that african Marys are popular in America, but I can't for the life of me remember ever seeing one.

The article says that african Marys are popular in America, but I can't for the life of me remember ever seeing one.

me neither...i've seen a few that looked a lil italian, but not black

Mary and Jesus both came from the tribe of Judah. Judah actually means Jew. So they were both as Jewish as Jewish can be. I would imagine they would have been neither black nor white but dark complicted with olive skin.

Many don't realize but Christ coming from the line of Judah was prophesied way back in Genesis 49. Jacob gave a blessing to each of his 12 sons and this was Judah's:

"Judah your brothers will praise you. Your hand will be on the neck of your enemies. Your father's sons will bow down to you.....The scepter will not depart from Judah nor the ruler's staff from between his feet until he comes to whom it belongs and the obedience of the nations is his."

Mary and Jesus both came from the tribe of Judah. Judah actually means Jew. So they were both as Jewish as Jewish can be. I would imagine they would have been neither black nor white but dark complicted with olive skin.

but didn't those tribes come from egypt? and there are plenty of blacks in egypt as well as arabs. how do you draw your conclusions?

Something I find interesting, is that there seems to be a popular opinon that Jesus was white.

Ummm, what about the fact that he was born in the middle east,etc... He'd naturally have dark skin.

Peace, ~Lucas

but didn't those tribes come from egypt? and there are plenty of blacks in egypt as well as arabs. how do you draw your conclusions?

Jacob and his clan (12 sons and families) went down to Egypt as a result of famine. It didn't change the fact they were Hebrews. They were protected there; did well until the new ruler came in and many years went by. These same Hebrews became slaves. This was for 430 years. It didn't change their color. They did not intermarry for the most part keeping their tribes intact. That was very important to them. They went in as 70 with Jacob and came out 400 yrs later as 603,000 men alone with Moses.

These same Hebrews became slaves. This was for 430 years. It didn't change their color. They did not intermarry for the most part keeping their tribes intact.

yeah, right...the only slave owner that knocked up a slave was thomas jefferson, lol...

you don't think the slaves were used sexually, at will, by their egyptian overlords. do that for 430 years and i think you'd see some different skin hues. and darker colors dominate the genepool almost exclusively.

i think that view is a lil naive

You know, the interesting part is while I've seen Jesus in black and brown, has anyone seen a Mary that wasn't lily white? I have a feeling that a black Mary will tick some people off even more than a black Jesus.

Now that you mentioned it I don't think I have. You could be right about that one!

Reply By: little-whipPosted: Wednesday, November 01, 2006There's nothing uncommon about Black Madonnas, actually.

Wow Whip thanks for the information. I had no idea.

but I still say you'll hear a bigger stink about a black (african) Mary. The article says that african Marys are popular in America, but I can't for the life of me remember ever seeing one.

I would agree with you there Baker. I've never seen one myself.

me neither...i've seen a few that looked a lil italian, but not black

Possibly because there are Italians who have dark complexion.

I would imagine they would have been neither black nor white but dark complicted with olive skin.

Yes, I believe that is possible.

and there are plenty of blacks in egypt as well as arabs.

As for as I know personally from what I've read, this is affirmative.


Personally, when I lived in NY, the neighborhood I lived in was pretty mixed and I knew a few egyptians who were dark complexion, a few Italians who were olived skinned as well as quite a few Africans that were white. It was quite a rainbow!

People never seem to remember or realise that it's not just a certain color people that comes from any one country. The majority may be one particular race or color but there are other types as well. For example, my hubby gets flak all the time because he doesn't look Jamaican yet he sounds more Jamaican than I do because his accent is much stronger than mine.

Something I find interesting, is that there seems to be a popular opinon that Jesus was white. Ummm, what about the fact that he was born in the middle east,etc... He'd naturally have dark skin.

This is what KFC was saying, they were probably not fair/light complexion. I dont' know really, despite the pictures I've seen over the years.

yeah, right...the only slave owner that knocked up a slave was thomas jefferson, lol...

I think we can all say, not!

you don't think the slaves were used sexually, at will, by their egyptian overlords. do that for 430 years and i think you'd see some different skin hues. and darker colors dominate the genepool almost exclusively.

I would have to agree with you on this Sean, given the human complexities and their desires, I think them not having done so would have been impossible. Hey, it just depends on the gene pool, my two girls are fair like their dad and my son is like me!

yeah, right...the only slave owner that knocked up a slave was thomas jefferson, lol...

This may have happened. If you've seen the movie 10 Commandments we see an instance of it, but one thing I do know is there was a fear of the Hebrew's God. An example of this just before the time period we're talking is found here in Gen 26..

And Isaac dwelt in Gerar: And the men of the place asked him of his wife; and he said, She is my sister: for he feared to say, She is my wife; lest, said he, the men of the place should kill me for Rebekah; because she was fair to look upon. And it came to pass, when he had been there a long time, that Abimelech king of the Philistines looked out at a window, and saw, and, behold, Isaac was sporting with Rebekah his wife.And Abimelech called Isaac, and said, Behold, of a surety she is thy wife: and how saidst thou, She is my sister? And Isaac said unto him, Because I said, Lest I die for her. And Abimelech said, What is this thou hast done unto us? one of the people might lightly have lien with thy wife, and thou shouldest have brought guiltiness upon us. And Abimelech charged all his people, saying, He that toucheth this man or his wife shall surely be put to death. [/B]

A pagan king imposing the death penalty on anyone troubling Isaac or Rebekah suggests God was at work to preserve His chosen seed. This sort of thing gets repeated often so it's not an isolated case.

further down we read:

[B]And they said, We saw certainly that the LORD was with thee: and we said, Let there be now an oath betwixt us, even betwixt us and thee, and let us make a covenant with thee; That thou wilt do us no hurt, as we have not touched thee, and as we have done unto thee nothing but good, and have sent thee away in peace: thou art now the blessed of the LORD.

Actually if you go back to Gen 12 you'll see this same thing happened to Abraham, the father of all the Hebrews...and it happened in Egypt. Only this time the Pharaoh and his house were hit with plagues for the sake of Abraham's wife.

kfc...did it ever occur to you that people wrote scriptures threating plagues or saying that a plague came because God was angry at anyone who messed with jewish girls was to scare them?

maybe they had to write these things because the intermixing between egyptians and jews was rampant?

just like most old testament scripture paints many women as chaste or "a whore." 1 is untouchable because she is pure and with God. the other is so disgusting you want to touch her. when i've talked to rabbi's on this, they have told me that the scriptures are that way because they were being taught to young , pubescent, teenage boys. and what are teenage boys interested in most? girls! and the rabbi's didn't want them chasing girls, they wanted them studying scripture.

in order for you to understand where i am coming from...check out some thomas paine (give me liberty or give me death) writings...i'm not gonna clutter this with long copy/pastes , so i'll give ya link...WWW Link

I don't know if our country will be "traumatized" by the film. I haven't even heard of the film, so I doubt that it will make the "waves" that say, "Passion of the Christ" did.

I've always pictured Jesus being a "mix," colored much like KFC described him. I figure if he came to save ALL people, and biologically he's HALF of God, and we're made in GOD'S likeness...well...He probably looked like a "mutt". I don't think I'd care one way or another what he's colored like or looked like. I think it's cool that different cultures picture him differently. I think it would be hard for me to picture Jesus being Japanese or something.

so I doubt that it will make the "waves" that say, "Passion of the Christ" did.

actually, i can see the rhetoric over the horizon. anyone who questions anything aboutthis film will be painted as closed minded and racist.

i have no idea what color christ was in any certainty. and frankly, i really don't care to waste my time worrying about it. i'll have fun speculating about it for a bit, but that's all...the messages christ delivered are what matters.

i have no idea what color christ was in any certainty. and frankly, i really don't care to waste my time worrying about it. i'll have fun speculating about it for a bit, but that's all...the messages christ delivered are what matters.

I couldn't agree more.