Why do Good Things Happen to Bad People?

A rant

(Note: This is a RANT. I am in a ranting mood today, so I'm going to rant away).

There is a couple in town, a pentecostal "preacher" and his wife, who travel in and out of town. In the several years they have been here, they have not once had to purchase a vehicle, they have acquired 7 properties, only three of which they have actually had to purchase, and they have filled many buildings with the various items that have been given them by people from the area and from where they come from back east. In the home where they currently reside, their windows were replaced with donated materials and with labor from one of the people in one of the local churches that they regularly badmouth, they've had complete sewer lines replaced in both of their residential locations, and now have the promise of having a roof built by the same individual that did their windows. People complain about this couple, but they line up around the block to give them everything and anything they beg for.

I have long said that I don't have a problem understanding why bad things happen to good people. I have a hard time, however, understanding why good things happen to bad people. In the case of this "preacher" and his wife, they aren't so much bad people as they are professional beggars. He has no church, does not preach anywhere regularly, and solicits these donations on the understanding that he will give them to the people in the local community. These donations end up at their house, where they pick through the choice items and occasionally give a few items away that they can't use to be able to show they're giving SOMETHING.

I mentioned earlier that they haven't purchased a single vehicle since they've been here. Yet they sold two of the vehicles that they had been given, and not to families in need, but instead, for the highest price they could get for them. Much of their income is derived from selling things that were donated for them to give away.

Meanwhile, I've been working six days a week at remunerative employment (usually seven days a week when you count other obligations) for the past two years. I'm working hard at finishing my online college courses and beginning working on "real" college courses in less than a month. And we're facing the impending death of our fourth vehicle in the past two years, all of them purchased out of our own pocket, and all of them at significant cost. We're praying that our car holds together until Friday, when we can pay off the repairs on another car and hope it, too, holds together. The alternative will be calling this "preacher" for a ride, and paying more in gas then he actually uses. Because I have to do what I have to do to take care of my family. And some of the same people in the church that have labored to remodel his house despite his disparaging of the church have turned a seemingly cold shoulder to us...because we committed the unforgivable sin of attending the church for sometime and then leaving it for another church. (note to pastors of such churches: that's NOT a way to encourage people to return).

During this same time, I have offered help to every motorist I have seen stranded, I have given groceries to every family I know of that is in need. I admittedly stopped tithing to the church, but I did so precisely because, no matter how faithful we've been in our tithes, not one church has EVER helped me a) land a decent job; b) keep my transportation running. We decided, rightly or wrongly, that our income needed to be reserved for our needs first, not the church's.

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Wow, great article Gid and covers a part of the reason that I'm not currently a fan of any organized religion.

I've met good people of the cloth and some bad as well. It sounds like the folks you've described are professional beggars and are taking gross advantage of the communities good will.

Hopefully those people will meet their just rewards at some time in the future. I'm reminded somewhat of the Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker (or was it Baker?) which should have been FAKER. Those people bilked thousands, if not millions, of people out of their money which was contributed to the church but was instead spent on lavishness for themselves.

I continue to hope for better things for you along the way, and am still very proud of the approach you are using to empower yourself and set a great example for your children. You are an inspiration for others to follow, as compared to the piss poor example of humanity you've cited in your article here.


Btw, while I'm thinking of it, sorry that the bad things have been pulling down your M's and my Nat's, but I guess that's a good sign that we're cheering on the good guys rather than the bad (such as them there Yankees!). I guess you could say the same thing about your fantasy baseball team (as it seems you've had the good guys bad luck this season ) Hopefully you'll get a chance to check back on your team though and perhaps Karma will reward you in the future.
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I mentioned earlier that they haven't purchased a single vehicle since they've been here. Yet they sold two of the vehicles that they had been given, and not to families in need, but instead, for the highest price they could get for them. Much of their income is derived from selling things that were donated for them to give away.

You know, I saw the a similar thing happening at our last base, and I understand your rage about it. 

There was a couple across the street who were literally broke.  They had two little girls and they were struggling to feed and clothe them.  They started coming to our church, and once people found out about their situation, they started giving them things - clothes, furniture etc.  Those mofo's turned around and SOLD half of the things they'd been given at a yard sale.  I'd given the woman some clothes, and I was highly pissed to see ALL of the things I'd given her out on her yard with prices like $5 and $10 on them.  They also sold the AC units that they'd been given so they would qualify for a loaner AC unit from the military housing office. 

They just didn't get it, Gid.  They just took and took and took and made money off of other people's charity.  Sounds to me like your 'pastor' is doing the same thing.

I agree with LW.  There's a place online where you can get ordained - I did it years ago.  The actual ordination is free, but you have to pay to get your certificate.  If I were you, I'd do it.  You could start having meetings in your backyard and it would be a good platform for your other activities too!

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It's like my granddad used to say, "Never trust a rich preacher"
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I'd given the woman some clothes, and I was highly pissed to see ALL of the things I'd given her out on her yard with prices like $5 and $10 on them.

That takes BALLS!

Sorry about your situation Gideon.  I hope things do get better, but until then, rants are good for the soul.

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Yet they sold two of the vehicles that they had been given, and not to families in need, but instead, for the highest price they could get for them.


That's got to be illegal, right? I mean, it has to, doesn't it????
Reply #6 Top
Man Gid that does suck big time.

Someone once said, "You can tell what God thinks about money by the people He gives it too."

Har. Now that isn't always the case, but in my personal experience it is usually the case.

Hang in there. Things won't always be this tuff.
Reply #7 Top
Either

1. The people who donate are more gullible and naive than you, or

2. They're better Christians than you, or

3. Being a good Christian goes hand in hand with being gullible and naive.
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First, I do not see how you could know so much about another person's life.

Two, all of us will have to give an account of ourselves to God when we die.

Three, you tithe to a church because you understand it helps God reach people, not just cause you want a job.

Four, I finally graduated from a Bachelor's of Science degree in Psychology from a Christain regionally accredited university only to meet the reality that I may die as a taxi driver.

From denying myself life by being obssessed with a college degree and not getting anything out of it I Iearned that a lot of what we experience has to do with how we view life.

You know. It is that whole "is the glass half full or half empty" thing.

I would say if I spent my life lamenting my existance because of what I think the other guy has and what I think I don't have, it wouldnt matter how much milk was in the glass.
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"is the glass half full or half empty"


Or maybe the glass is too big.
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Or maybe the glass is too big.

That is an engineer.  Welcome to the club!

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I fail to see the 'Good Things' that are happening to this man and his wife.
I would think a Good thing would be something that is unexpected with a bit of luck thrown in.

He is obviously well-liked by his followers and they want to do these things for him. I would agree the man is more akin to a professional beggar, and his followers are suckers most likely, but the man has does have the right to do what he is doing, and he may very well feel he is doing god's work by taking donated these items.

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Sorry Gid, I missed a portion of your art.
He is a true beggar and it sounds like he is in a cycle of taking and the other people are just so used to giving to him, it has become a custom.

I would say rather than 'Why do good thigns happen to bad people' - 'Why do people feel they need to give to lazy do-nothings just because they have in the past'
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Either way, it's just another freakin' glass that needs to be washed.

Unless it's a Dixie Cup
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Geech that's terrible! I guess they don't have a concience when they take the best stuff and only give a way the 'backwash or what left' to those who really do need it! There's a saying "Every dog has is day". There will be a day when they will have theirs so don't worry Gid! Ranting is good though, get's it all out!
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It all comes down to focus Gid. Where are you putting your focus? I'm doing a study on Ps 73 and it's very similar to what you just wrote about. This is a place we're taught to look at life from an eternal perspective. Asaph looked around and saw bad guys prospering and good guys suffering. Ps 73 goes right to the heart of it and gives us ways to respond to our own difficult circumstances and to encourage others who are struggling to understand theirs.

We need to examine our focus,(v1-12) examine our conclusions (13-16) and then view life from eternity's perspective (17-24). Only then can we focus on eternal riches (23-28).

alot of times our eyes are on the personal happiness of others and the physical world. As long as we focus on those things we will never understand what God is doing. We will lose our motivation of obedience when we do such things and as you seem to indicate. This is why a "good" church with a faithful Pastor is so important.

You need to find a church that has a Paul or Timothy at the head of it. Someone that you can go to to help sort these kinds of things out with you and help you grow.
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First, I do not see how you could know so much about another person's life.

Two, all of us will have to give an account of ourselves to God when we die.

Three, you tithe to a church because you understand it helps God reach people, not just cause you want a job.


We live in a community of 500 people, jesse. I know about this man's life because he's at my doorstep at least once a week begging for something because he "has no money". I didn't insert myself in his life, it's just the dynamics of a small town. But, boy, were you mighty quick to judge me there!

As to number 3, you just don't get it! If I'm out of work, I'm the one I need to depend on. If I need food, I'M also the one I need to depend on. Car repairs, clothing, etc., you name it.

The church was COMMANDED to care for the needs of others, jesse. Not suggested, but COMMANDED. The way I see it, most pastors are misappropriating the tithing money. If they won't spend it as they are supposed to, then I will use the money to make sure others' needs are met.

It's not just me. I know others with needs far worse than mine...and there is no burden by the people in the church to meet them.

Just one thing to add, jesse: my car is ESSENTIAL to my working, to my earning a living for a family. NOT optional, but ESSENTIAL. Do you think I would be more spiritual if I stopped working because I didn't have a vehicle to do the job?

And dharma, and LW, actually, for the record, I AM ordained...but I believe faith is about more than begging. Maybe it's me that's got it wrong, though
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He is obviously well-liked by his followers and they want to do these things for him.


No, actually most people are pretty sick of him. They give him money because they don't want to see him starve.

Something revealing about this man: I needed a ride into town to get brake calipers for the car today, and told him I wouldn't have any money until my paycheck came in. We were barely out of town before the "shakedown" began (mind you, I had alerted him to my "broke" status when I called him last night): he said that he was running out of gas, and that he had no money. He said we needed to pray that we would get into town and back. He repeated this whole thing the whole twelve miles into town, but neither myself, nor the friends who are loaning me the money for the brake calipers (these folks are literally loaning me their last $50; I know that for a FACT) had extra money for gas. Again, he was aware of this situation beforehand.

As we entered town, he moaned "I guess I'll have to take money out of the money for our water bill" (not due for another two weeks). In other words, he HAD money, but wanted to see how much he could shake out of us first.

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You need to find a church that has a Paul or Timothy at the head of it. Someone that you can go to to help sort these kinds of things out with you and help you grow.


KFC,

How can I say this politely? I love your sincerity as a Christian, but this statement was VERY condescending. I'm a little bit more spiritually mature than you give me credit for being, it's just that I am human. And it is very frustrating. I didn't get to update that the Buick didn't overheat yesterday, but my brakes went due to a bad caliper. They're being fixed with money I had no choice but to borrow, and we got the Ford back on the road through no small amount of begging, and are praying it holds up until Friday. We are making it, and we WILL make it, but it still galls me that there are people like this out there. Because of their constant scamming, they cause many churches to be skeptical when someone comes to them with a REAL need.

I'll give you an example, KFC, one that people who have been with this blog site for two years are well aware of. When my youngest son was born, we were 60 miles away from the nearest hospital, and there were complications. Not serious, but serious enough that they could not allow my wife to return home for fear that she would have the baby on the way to the hospital without advanced medical care. I had to take significant time off of work to travel 60 miles each way twice a week to get my wife to medical appointments. Two weeks after Quinn was born, I was laid off from work. Despite the fact we had faithfully attended the church and participated in ministry, NOT ONE member of that church would help us out with very real, very pressing financial problems.

God DID move, KFC, but He moved through the hearts of people on JoeUser, NOT within our local fellowship. We were seriously contemplating the possibility that we would have to move into a homeless shelter; there simply WAS no money to be had, and, despite the years of paying taxes, the good ol' gub'mint wasn't in a hurry to step up. We wound up leaving Nevada and all of our possessions to move to where we are currently because we were offered a home. But the failure of the church to even attempt to help in a time of need sticks out in my mind. The church is failing in its duty, KFC, and it's time we as Christians own up to that fact.

When I say I stopped giving my tithe to the church, I don't mean I stopped tithing. What I am doing instead is appropriating that money to a "benevolence fund" that I and others who share my concern will administer. That way, we can start dealing with REAL needs and stop leaving people crippled and beaten by the wayside.
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Yet they sold two of the vehicles that they had been given, and not to families in need, but instead, for the highest price they could get for them.


That's got to be illegal, right? I mean, it has to, doesn't it????


It is technically illegal, yes, but 1) proving it's one thing; 2) this man's done this for many years. There's more to the story that I can't tell at this time, but suffice it to say, if this man is a man of God then I really don't want a part of his God.
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I would say if I spent my life lamenting my existance because of what I think the other guy has and what I think I don't have, it wouldnt matter how much milk was in the glass.

By the way, jesse, with this comment you TOTALLY missed the point! My point (and I clearly labelled it as a rant) was how frustrating it is to consider that I may soon be unemployed if I can't keep my cars running while this guy gets everything handed to him on a silver platter. Why is it you can muster greater sympathy for one who refuses to work despite being capable of doing so than you can for one who struggles to keep a serviceable car put together by working six days a week to feed his family? I have my "backup" car on the road now, but even it isn't 100%. While I'm hopeful it still has plenty of miles left, there are still some questions, even after the $400 worth of work I'll be paying for it on Friday.

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The church is failing in its duty, KFC, and it's time we as Christians own up to that fact.


I absoulutely agree with you here Gid and I think I've mentioned this before. It's one reason we're in such a mess today. This should not be happening. That's why I mentioned finding a church who had a Pastor whose focus is Christ. Not all have the right focus. The church for the most part follows the lead of the Pastor. If he's not right, there's a good chance the church is not either. We all need a Paul and a Barnabas in our lives. One to follow and show us the way and one to encourage us no matter how mature we think we are.

I've seen many Pastors as you have written out to fleece the sheep. I've seen many that are very Godly men as well. I dare say from my expereiences the Godly ones are outnumbered tho.

I don't know much about your situation but do believe that no matter what if your focus is on Him he will take care of you and use whomever to do it, whether it be those on JU or a neighbor or a church member.

I've seen the opposite as well. We helped a church member who had Crone's disease. He had seven kids. When he went in for a routine colonoscopy they nicked something in there and he almost died. He had 4 babies and three teens. Our church rallied around this family as we have a tendency to do. For nine months he was out of work and we kept their bills paid. Some went out and bought brand new clothes for the kids...and I'm not talking just a little bit...This fammily was overwhelmed with what we did for them.

Later they reached a settlement which was pretty large, he went back to work as a truck driver and they left our church. They said our church wasn't "spiritual" enough. In other words we weren't raising our hands and getting emotional like they thought we should. We were stunned. But I wouldn't have changed a thing even knowing that. We did what was right in helping them.

My husband said, and I've learned as well, that the ones we help the most are the ones that don't appreciate it. I personally reached into an old shoe that I stashed money and gave this family $900. Many others sacrificed like this as well. Many in the church and some outside of it.

I've learned not to be bitter about things like this tho. I know that God is all seeing and he evens all out in the end.
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My pastor quoted someone the other day, I don't know who it was he quoted though...
"Wellfare is an abomination in a Christian society" (or something like that)
Basically, the church should be doing the wellfare well enough that the government shouldn't NEED the programs. For all people, not just the people who go and tithe every week. But when you do go and tithe every week, it's such a slap in the face to have them not help.
I had gone home for the summer and my girlfriend's(now wife's) car broke down and needed to be fixed. She asked the church for money, because they have it and she needed it to get to work. They stalled and were rude and wouldn't return her calls. She had to beg rides off her non-christian coworkers to get to work for a week until she could come up with the money herself.
Where does all that money for the benevolence fund go, if not to people who need it?

By the way, I like your idea of keeping the benevolence fund yourself. It wouldn't work for me, because I'd end up just being 'benevolent' to myself, but the fact that you and OTHERS are administering it could make it work.

Of course, there's always the other side of it. My father was a deacon at a different church. A guy stopped in, asking for money for a bus ticket home. Everybody but my father was all gung ho to just give it to him, but my father was skeptical, asked questions, and eventually ended up contacting the guy's parents, who blew the guy's sob story out the window. Discernment is very important!
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She asked the church for money, because they have it and she needed it to get to work. They stalled and were rude and wouldn't return her calls.


Of course, there's always the other side of it.


There's no excuse for rudeness. None. But the problem is the church is constantly being called for bogus claims. I see this all the time. This week it happened. A man going thru Town stopped at my friend's local yarn shop. He asked her if she knew any Pastors. She asked what he wanted and he said he needed a place to stay. She pointed him to a local place that charges $10 a night for such a thing as this. He grew beligerent and asked why she didn't give a Pastor's name and then left in a huff. This lady is the give the shirt off her back sort. She recognized a professional moocher and wouldn't give in. She met the need but he wasn't satisfied.

This stuff happens almost weekly. People demand the church do for them. Discernment is very important. We have people calling looking for rides, money, places to stay and even furniture all the time. Most have no idea. It's really hard sometimes to sort need from those just looking for whatever they can get for nothing.

Most of the time, the church people are very generous and do get taken. I've got loads of stories on this. That's why the scam artists set up in churches quite often.
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People demand the church do for them.


Is it your money or God's money, KFC? If it's God's, as I expect you will answer, why are you spending it as if it were yours?

The thing is, people coin up for people like my "pastor" friend simply because they're tired of dealing with them. When someone comes up with a real need, however, they're not persistent enough so the church simply doesn't care. I've heard a lot of talk about "discernment", but that word is simply Christian shorthand for "I just want an excuse not to give to you".

I forgot to mention one crucial detail of our recent struggles, KFC. Of the people who helped us out when we were in DIRE need, only one or two of them were Christians. And one of those was a Christian of the brand you probably wouldn't consider a "Christian". Please explain to me why people OUTSIDE the church are fulfilling the commandment of being a neighbour better than those INSIDE the church.

I don't know you personally, KFC. You could have a heart truly in line with God's, for all I know. But if you do have such a heart, you really should join with those of us who are calling the church to task for their failure. It's inexcusable.
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She recognized a professional moocher just because he insisted on a Pastor's # rather than accepting directions to a flop house?

Maybe the man didnt HAVE $10.00.

Maybe he had a family he needed to house, a couple of children for whom a flop house would not have been safe or adequate for.

And maybe, just maybe, he was ALSO in search of some prayer or spiritual guidance in his time of need.

From your story, he didnt ask the lady where he could find a cheap room, he asked for a way to contact a Pastor who might have been able to assist him in finding a place to stay.


She's right, you know, KFC. The man DID ask for a pastor's name. The proper response would have been to give him an answer.

Which brings me to another point. Recently, many pastors have instructed their church personnel NOT to give out their numbers. While I understand the security concerns of not giving out a home number, there are no such concerns associated with giving out the number of a cell phone purchased for that purpose. Or of listing the church address as the billing address for their home phone so that one can't readily find their address from their phone number. The point is, these pastors don't want to be bothered when they're "off the clock". Is a bondservant EVER "off the clock"?

I'm asking these questions, KFC, because you seem sincere in your faith and because it is only through sincere Christians that we can expect to make these real, meaningful changes to make the church into what God intended it to be.
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Or of listing the church address as the billing address for their home phone so that one can't readily find their address from their phone number.


Wouldn't this mean that if they ever had to call 911 from their home phone the ambulance, police, fire truck would be sent to the church? I think the cell phone idea would work much better.