Thurrott to Microsoft: Delay Vista!

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_ready.asp
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Perhaps one of the biggest online sites in direct support of all things Windows, and a long-time champion of Windows Longhorn (now Vista), Paul Thurrott's SuperSite for Windows has come out with a scathing article on the inadequacies of Windows Vista as it currently stands in beta.  While Paul picks apart others who have complained about the beta thus far, mostly for being less than intelligent in his eyes, he does agree with their end-assessment, if not with the reasoning they used to reach it.

Many of the points he complains about are how Windows has regressed in terms of application compatibility, from Adobe issues to ActiveX controls on web pages.  Probably the best though are the cut and paste COM errors he gets with the Office 2007 beta (since the two are supposedly "Better Together" according to Microsoft).  Then there's any number of usability complaints over how it seems to defy common logic, or previous versions of Windows.

In short, not only is his answer to "Is Vista ready?" a solid "No", it's a resounding "No.  God, no"

Be sure to check out the rant, in all of it's glory, in the link below.

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Reply #1 from WinCustomize Forums Top

Good article, IMO.

I can certainly live with improved hardware, Windows XP, and Object Desktop for quite some time. So, I agree, who cares when they release the thing as long as it is actually ready.

Reply #2 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Vista is an Operating System….not just a program….I don’t know much….but I’m sure that Microsoft is the Industries leading edge in the things that make computing possible in the first place. Just imagine no Microsoft…no windows no programs no stardock. I trust Microsoft to release Vista when the time is right.
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Reply #3 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I'm really past caring about Vista, they should just move on to the next OS which should be wothy of upgrading from XP. Now before everyone starts bey-atching on the "new features" list their is ab-so-lut-ely NOTHING on it that would warrant me throwing over the buckazoids!
Reply #4 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Just imagine no Microsoft…no windows no programs no stardock.


Then we'd be talking about Sun's next system or IBM's next system. The "Information Age" came about WITH Microsoft not because of Microsoft. Microsoft has NEVER met an initial publicized deadline and has NEVER released a bug-free Operating System. I can say this because I've owned just about every OS they've produced.

Reply #5 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I'd prefer to wait a while for an OS that is ready, not one that is shipped out too early because of "demand".
Reply #6 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Just as a note....last November I think it was....I predicted a March-May 2007 release date for Vista. I still think I'm right.
Reply #7 from WinCustomize Forums Top
"The "Information Age" came about WITH Microsoft not because of Microsoft."

I won’t argue with that statement…..but you have to admit that Microsoft has delivered…..just as much as Apple………and more so then all the others…besides Stardock programs are made for Windows
Reply #8 from WinCustomize Forums Top

The reason you are using Windows today is because of shrewd licensing, not "because it was the best".

Stardock's programs started out on IBM's OS/2 operating system which was far superior to Windows at the time. Microsoft was able to get PC makers to preload Windows instead of OS/2 and hence we use Windows today.

Windows didn't make Stardock's software possible.

Reply #9 from WinCustomize Forums Top
"Windows didn't make Stardock's software possible."


Yea…that’s not what I said
Reply #10 from WinCustomize Forums Top
besides Stardock programs are made for Windows


Yeah but if Sun's RISC or IBM's OS2 had won out. All the vendors like Stardock would be making software for that OS.

OS2....they would have done better if we all didn't realize that they (Big Blue) had been sitting on their asses for years because of their Monopoly on the market, but I have to agree it was better than MS at the time. Personally I thought (at the time) the reduced instruction set coding would win out, but hardware advances made that moot.

Reply #11 from WinCustomize Forums Top

"Windows didn't make Stardock's software possible."


Yea…that’s not what I said

With no Windows Stardock would have thrived quite well with its original involvement with OS2.

Nothing would be different except 'detail'....

Reply #12 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Yeah but if Sun's RISC or IBM's OS2 had won out. All the vendors like Stardock would be making software for that OS.


I’m sure that every program around to day would still be around no matter who’s OS would have come out on top. I like windows. I like Vista Beta. I thought Stardock liked Microsoft, being “ Gold Certified Partners” and all. Maybe I’ve just gotten the wrong impression. And in another post about the beginning of Stardock, it never mentioned that the programs started out running on another OS. I did'nt know that  
Reply #13 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Windows didn't make Stardock's software possible.


That’s really not what I was trying to say….what I was trying to say is that Stardocks programs ARE made to run on windows and from everything I am reading on the new posts all Stardocks new programs are being made to run on Vista…..That’s all that I was saying.
Reply #14 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I'm sure Stardock like being "Gold Certified" by MS. That's the goal of any vendor working in the sfotware business.

I personally believe whatever the dominant OS became it would greatly resemble what we have. The product is "molded" by user requests and "wish" lists. Vista will be the next OS but I'm sure when it's released it won't be ready for prime-time any more than 95 or XP were. (SP1 & SP2 are hints of things to come)
Reply #15 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Vista will be the next OS but I'm sure when it's released it won't be ready for prime-time any more than 95 or XP were. (SP1 & SP2 are hints of things to come)


Yes, I must agree with you  
Reply #17 from WinCustomize Forums Top
It's really a perpetual statement like, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?"

Yes Object Desktop is for Windows. But it would be for OS/2 if OS/2 was where Windows is right now. But it's not. So Stardock made Object Desktop for Windows. But what if Windows bit the dust that OS/2 is lying in? But it didn't. But... So it really doesn't matter WHO is up at the top, as long as they're doing it right.
Reply #18 from WinCustomize Forums Top
as long as they're doing it right.


Yea no doubt, but everyone seems to be saying that MS is dropping the ball with vista…..and at the same time saying that they are developing new software to run on vista.  
Reply #19 from WinCustomize Forums Top

but everyone seems to be saying that MS is dropping the ball with vista

Maybe not 'dropping'....

....more like 'dribbling'...

Reply #21 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Maybe MS is just toying with us all……Rich Corporations like to do that kind of stuff you know.  
Reply #22 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I have no problems with waiting for Vista. After all its Microsoft not Apple...otherwise we would be shelling out $200 every 1-2 years for the update. After all I still remember the days Apple ruled the OS market than lost it to Microsoft. (Rhetorical Question) I wonder why? (/Rhetorical Question)

In the end, Microsoft should control their release dates, listen to criticism, release a product that will do more good than harm and not give into the small pressure by Apple's release schedule or annoying commercials.

OS/2 was good but that is the past now, we must move on, after all it was IBM who stopped the development.

Who really knows though, the next big OS may come from neither Apple, Microsoft, Sun or Linux. Something to go with that lovely multitouch screen that was in the other news article.
Reply #23 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I liked the Vista beta I had on this computer for a few days when they first made it available to the public but there were compatibility issues with some of my hardware which caused me to remove it. If that were fixed, I'd re-install today, but I'm the kind of person who knows my way around computers and isn't afraid to mess with something until it works. That is not what MS has in mind when they produce an OS. They believe -- and rightly so -- that it needs to work properly right out of the box and be simple enough for everybody's granny to be able to use without too much sweat. Vista is nowhere near that point yet, I'm sad to say. But as I've said before, what I saw impressed me very much and whenever they decide to release it, I'll be first in line to buy my copy. Until then, I've got a nicely tweaked XP that is reliable and does what I need it to do. I had Windows ME -- I know what happens when an OS is rushed to market and so does MS. It's a mistake they will not make again.
Reply #24 from WinCustomize Forums Top
Black Cat 77, I hope your right. I agree with you it would be a CATASTROPHE if they released Vista right now...I know I'm dreaming, but from what I've seen & heard I wish they'd just bite the bullet & wait till late fall next year to deliver it.
Reply #25 from WinCustomize Forums Top
I'll be sure to be running XP in dualboot with Vista when it comes out until Vista has been patched to fix those issues that are doomed to come up first after it's been released and third-party support it better.