Horror of Qana

When was the last time Egypt or Jordan were bombed by the Israelis?

By the way, read some other sources on Qana. I'll bet you this turns out to be another Jenin.

There is a story about an accident.  It seems this bus driver was driving down the street with 5 passengers when he slammed into a car.  The driver called it in to the depot and a wrecker was dispatched along with polilce and rescue squads.  When they arrived on the scene, there were 25 people yelling whiplash on the bus.

Since we already have demonstrable proof of the lies of Hezbollah, I do not trust your figures.  Simply put, once a lile is laid bare, it is hard to beleive anything the liar says.  And we already know that Hezbollah are liars.

you really need to check your so called "facts" even though I know you won,t because it would go against your hatred of Jews.

I can anticipate the reaction. Hizbollah propaganda some will seream. Melodramatic some will say.

HIZBOLLAH PROPAGANDA.

Melodramatic.


Wouldn't want to disappoint.

Why are you still saying that this many people died? The huge inflated numbers is just more 'lying for justice' crap; the belief that so long as your cause is just you can lie all you want. According to neutral authorities in Lebanon only 28 or so people were killed, and like 16 of them were kids.

So long as they embrace terrorists who violate the Israeli border and undertake attacks on a sovereign nation, they, as a sovereign nation will have to take responsibility for those actions that they have sanctioned. In the immortal words of Lil John, 'Don't start nothin, there won't be nothin.' Embrace terrorists, offer them sanctuary and free access to commit attacks, elect them to office and call them your 'national resistance', and you'll suffer along with them when the bombs start falling.

To me it looks like the people of Lebanon talk a big show of 'resistance', but when the time comes to answer for it they can't take their lumps. If they are really in the business of 'resistance' they should have expected such. They just want to offer national resources to Hezbollah and then feign ignorance when Israelis die.

According to neutral authorities in Lebanon only 28 or so people were killed, and like 16 of them were kids.

The figures are from internationally recognised sources.

you really need to check your so called "facts" even though I know you won,t because it would go against your hatred of Jews.

This has nothing to do with ones likes and dislikes. We are dealing with a war in which Israel has a stated objective of "degrading " the Hizbollah. I cannot imagine how the killing of civilinas can degrade the Hizbollah. Quite the contrary the Hizbollah has emerged stronger as a consequence of this Israeli misadventure.
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This has nothing to do with ones likes and dislikes. We are dealing with a war in which Israel has a stated objective of "degrading " the Hizbollah. I cannot imagine how the killing of civilinas can degrade the Hizbollah.

And a war in which the Lebanese sponsored Hezbollah's stated objective is to eradicate all of Israel and murder all of it's citizens. Hezbollah hides among the civilians. To kill Hezbollah fighters, some civilians will die. I cannot imagine any way not to kill some civilians as long as Hezbollah uses this cowardly tactic.

Both the Lebanese officials and Human Rights Watch have revised the totals to 28, Bahu. You're obviously keeping the inflated figures to make it more lurid. I've been seeing people say that there were even more kids, most handicapped, yadda yadda. That kind of tactic doesn't make people more sympathetic, it undermines your reliability.

"Investigators for Human Rights Watch said they discovered the apparent discrepancy in the death toll after interviewing witnesses, emergency workers and hospital officials. The Lebanese Red Cross had reported early on that it had removed 28 bodies from the rubble, said Lucy Mair, a researcher for Human Rights Watch. "The original 54 number actually came from the fact that one of the survivors was saying, 'We were 63 people from two families camped out in the basement.' They identified only nine living people, and immediately people started doing the subtraction," she said. But it appears that at least 22 people escaped from the basement, leaving 13 unaccounted for, Human Rights Watch said in a statement. One body may have been buried by family members and not taken to the morgue. It is no longer clear whether the 13 listed as missing were in the building when it collapsed. "The rescue teams say they've totally completed their operations and there are only 28 bodies," Mair said. Officials for the Red Cross and the Lebanese government said they had not revised the official death toll of 54 but were reexamining their figures and expected to have a final tally today." ( - Link )

So less than 30 and not 64. I figure all the losses in Lebanon are inflated that much, frankly, and the way you and others keep inflating the figures in the face of evidence to the contrary it makes me think it even more so. The people who are counting the bodies more often are anti-Israel or even Hezbollah themselves. No doubt there are hundreds of crippled children dying every minute if you listen to them.

And a war in which the Lebanese sponsored Hezbollah's stated objective is to eradicate all of Israel and murder all of it's citizens. Hezbollah hides among the civilians

This is the strangest justification for mass murder. Israel is occupying Shebaa Farms in defiance of the very UN Resolution that it now proclaims as the legal cover for this war. Israel happens to bre the only country in the world that has not published its official map giving its boundries. It is occupying the territories seizes after the 1967 war. Rhetoric apart, the Arabs have not shown the intelligence nor the capacity to organise the sort of repraisals and collective punishmnet that Israel is inflicting on the Arbs. I am sure the world also recognises that there is a need foor Arabs and Isralis to live in peace. It is for the State of Israel to demonstrate that it can co exist peacefully with its Arab neighbors. The talk of Bush Blair kind of Democracy is unnerving to say the least. Invade, kill with shock and awe tactics , stir up ethnic and sectarian hatred and let civil society disintegrate in a welter of torn mangled flesh like what is happening in Iraq. If this is the solution to the Middle East problem, the Arabs will not accept and the battle will continue.

CNN reported the figure of 64 not 30.

CNN reported the figure of 64 not 30.

Doesn't make it an accurate figure. CNN also reported the US State Department was blown up on 9/11, too. Hasty reporting, unsubstantiated news on the fly...

And my quote explained why the initial figure of 64 was wrong. I mean, you really think Human Rights Watch is some sort of zionist conspirator, Bahu?

let civil society disintegrate in a welter of torn mangled flesh like what is happening in Iraq. If this is the solution to the Middle East problem, the Arabs will not accept and the battle will continue.

This is exactly what Hizbollah & the Iraqi terrorists are promoting, Bahu. It's not the US or Israeli military causing this. Not a single Iraqi, or Hizbollah terrorist, would be killed as a result of military action if they would stop killing civilians and setting off IED's. It's the height of idiocy to blame everyone except the perpetrators for the violence. They know we'll leave if the violence stops, so it's plain as day that peace is not their objective, because if it were, it could be achieved easily and practically overnight.

They know we'll leave if the violence stops, so it's plain as day that peace is not their objective, because if it were, it could be achieved easily and practically overnight.

In Iraq there was no Terrorism until the USA invaded and set the Shiaas against the Sunnis, promoting a BRAND OF SECTARIAN IDENTITY POLITICS. Let the Americans leave the Middle East to the people of Middle East, then we could have a ray of hope of a new beginning.

You're obviously keeping the inflated figures to make it more lurid. I've been seeing people say that there were even more kids, most handicapped, yadda yadda. That kind of tactic doesn't make people more sympathetic, it undermines your reliability

I do not think that it is possible to fine tune the count of such horrible atrocities as Qana. Can you put a final figure on the Holocaust. Deniers of the Holocaust say that the figure is quite small, while I will go by the standard Raul Hilberg's Destruction of tbe European Jewery. Many of the bodies were pulped beyond recognition. What you are probably sayuing is the number of bodies that could be identified and given a name. I do not think that the numberss do not matter. I think there will be an international inquiry into the Israeli atrocities against the Arabs. The callous disregard for Arab lives is disconcerting, to say the least.

The callous disregard for Arab lives is disconcerting, to say the least.

As in the Hizbullah rocket attacks on Haifa's Arab neighborhood? That what you mean?

In Iraq there was no Terrorism until the USA invaded and set the Shiaas against the Sunnis, promoting a BRAND OF SECTARIAN IDENTITY POLITICS.

BS. The US is the only party trying to unify Iraq. Iran is fomenting the sectarian schism & you know it.

The more you post, the more obvious your pathetic bias becomes.

HOW ABOUT THE MILLIONS OF PEOPLE MURDERED in Israel?

Hezbollah is shooting hundreds of thousands of rockets into Israel every day, so far there have been 2,357,000 Israeli children murdered in their beds, 1,700,004 old men raped by Hezbollah fighters, then murdered. Lets not forget all the millions of women slaughtered on their way to market by the thousands of homocide bombers using 9,000 kilos of explosives and there entire body filled with ballbearing they just finished eating.

"In Iraq there was no Terrorism until the USA invaded and set the Shiaas against the Sunnis, promoting a BRAND OF SECTARIAN IDENTITY POLITICS."

On the contrary. There was just no terrorism that you CARED about, because it was in your interest to overlook the tens and hundreds of thousands tortured and murdered by Hussein. You've even forgotten the tens of thousands you, yourself complained were dying regularly of starvation because of the sanctions.

Now, though, Iraq was Disneyland, because it serves your argument. In reality, Iraqis lived in as much fear, they just couldn't express it without being shoved off a building or disappearing into one of Hussein's torture palaces. Folks like you like to pretend that Abu Graib was somehow worse as an aberration of US behavior, when in reality the standard procedure under Hussein was far, far more barbaric.

Folks like you like to pretend that Abu Graib was somehow worse as an aberration of US behavior, when in reality the standard procedure under Hussein was far, far more barbaric.

Perhaps. But Hussain never claimed that he is morally and politically responsible for bringing Democracy and human rights, like the USA does. Therefore we hold the USA to a standard of civilised behavior that we do not expect from Saddam Hussein and his ilk.

The huge inflated numbers is just more 'lying for justice' crap; the belief that so long as your cause is just you can lie all you want.

---Bakerstreet

Yeah, and isn't that just what he accuses "Bush and the Bushmen" of doing?

Maybe if Hezbollah forces had allowed the civilians to leave before they made Qana a target, none would have died?
But then, the PR weapons of dead children, cripples and old people are worth more than a thousand rockets launched from the front yard of a commandeered private home. Especially when you have sympathetic photographers Photoshopping the damage to make it look worse.

Propaganda aside :-

I feel for any country that is at war - no matter what the statistics are, civilians should be kept out of play. Children, mothers, grandmothers should not be targeted.


I still believe Israel overreacted quite severely and in doing so have caused unnecessary suffering to the ordinary families in Lebanon.


I am led to believe that Hezbollah has a habit of hiding itself in among the civilian population which is why the civilian population has suffered so severly in Lebanon. If this is the case then a different approach to attacking Hezbollah could have been devised - where there is a will - there is a way as the saying goes. Israel reacted in anger ( as we all do sometimes) instead of thinking and planning carefully another course of action.


Not all Lebanese people are terrorists and not all Israelis are argy bargy bullies. On both sides there have been casualties and both sides have experienced and are experiencing very real pain, loss and suffering. Finger pointing and shouting will only serve to refuel the fires that are smouldering.


They need to stop and think before they act - this goes for both sides. If they are going to destroy each other do it another way - find it, but leave the civilian population alone.

*sends peace and light to both nations*