Wannabes/Wiggers----Why?

Maybe it is because over the last few decades we robbed ourselves of any culture with which to define ourselves, and now we have to pose as goth kids, or wanksters, or just anything that gives us some sort of identity? After all, we have no problem stealing our music, etc., from black culture.

I'm not crazy about it any more than anyone else, but I don't see it as a failing as a need without a solution. Was Elvis a "wigger" when he stole his entire style from the black musicians he grew up around, or Eric Clapton and the rest for building an entire era of "white" music on black americans?

If you don't want people to dishonestly define themselves, they have to have something genuine to associate themselves with. After years and years of trying to erase cultural and ethnic differences, we've succeeded and left ourselves with only a few others to steal from.

Why? Anybody?

Simple. Black = cool, white = uncool. At least that's what the big boys tell me.

Just consider the fact that every time people show disdain for rednecks, trailer trash, and "nascar people" a young person decides to emulate something that society takes more seriously. We open the door for wannabe jihandists, wanksters, goth geese, etc., when we ridicule their own culture and try to tell them they'd better overcome it or they won't do well in life.

I grew up in and around Appalachia, and we were told as children we'd better stop acting like we fell out of a holler and be more like people who are successful in society. So you spend years condemning 'white trash' and promoting "cultural diversity" regarding a few choice cultures, and you'll change the way entire generations think.

Heck, we even have "Honky Tonk Badonkadonk" now, don't we? I think I'll go urp up my supper now.

First you were tagged on my embarrassing moments article. Link


Second, I HATE it. I took my son to an all white skating rink and they played Gansta rap the entire time. WHAT???? You don't have to be black to like it I guess..but it still was WEIRD.

And I hated every minute of it.

My ten year old says rap has "soul." Which means it has cuss words he can't say and probably does say when he sings those songs around his friends.

Remember Vanilla Ice? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. That was the beginning!

Maybe it is because over the last few decades we robbed ourselves of any culture with which to define ourselves, and now we have to pose as goth kids, or wanksters, or just anything that gives us some sort of identity? After all, we have no problem stealing our music, etc., from black culture.

---Baker

Okay, I think I'll just avoid the ongoing "culture clash" we've been having here just lately. Not today.

Was Elvis a "wigger" when he stole his entire style from the black musicians he grew up around

---Baker

Well, taking your musical styles is one thing. Taking a lifestyle, which is what a lot of wannabes do, is quite another. Elvis was white and he stayed white in tone and dress, even though he sounded black when he sang. Then, later on, he got his own style with the huge pompadour and sideburns, polyester jumpsuits, sequins and capes! Could anyone have pulled that off besides the King? No' bloody loikly!

I dont know why they do it but I will tell ya this...something makes my skin crawl when I see a pretty young white girl open her mouth and spew forth like the most base ghetto queen imaginable. It just makes me shudder, right or wrong.

---LW

Yeah, that's true. They get so much of their language from that culture.

Heck, we even have "Honky Tonk Badonkadonk" now, don't we? I think I'll go urp up my supper now.

----Baker

That's a little different. I've only seen the video once or twice, but I didin't notice all that many black faces in the Honkytonk, dressed like Joy for "My Name is Earl" or Daisy Duke. That would have been racist. But put a white kid in oversize pants, a huge basketball jersey and a starched, pristine baseball cap, add a few gold chains, and it's all good.

First you were tagged on my embarrassing moments article.

---Tova

Sorry, dearie; I missed it. Lemme think on it a bit. I try to forget embarrassing moments, so give me a while, but I'll come up with something.

Second, I HATE it. I took my son to an all white skating rink and they played Gansta rap the entire time. WHAT???? You don't have to be black to like it I guess..but it still was WEIRD.

---Tova

I hope it was the Wal-Mart "radio mix" versions, right? Of course, with all the cussing bleeped out or otherwise glossed over, there isn't much else to listen to.

My ten year old says rap has "soul."

---Tova


Like a freakin' 10-year-old knows anything about soul. Reminds me of the time I asked a black kid who worked for me why he liked hardcore rap. He said it "spoke to the urban black in me".

His Dad had an important office job with the local steel mill, where he probably made somewhere well above fifty grand a year. His Mom was a college professor who made a few bucks, herself. They lived in a ritzy neighborhood on a treelined street, nowhere near the ghe-tto. but it spoke to the "urban black" in him. Right.

Remember Vanilla Ice?

---Tova

Another embarrassing thing I try to forget.

"Well, taking your musical styles is one thing. Taking a lifestyle, which is what a lot of wannabes do, is quite another. Elvis was white and he stayed white in tone and dress, even though he sounded black when he sang. Then, later on, he got his own style with the huge pompadour and sideburns, polyester jumpsuits, sequins and capes! Could anyone have pulled that off besides the King? No' bloody loikly!"

Eh, you might want to rethink that. Elvis got his onstage dancing hijinks from the black performers of the time. As for hair styles and sideburns, you might want to look back and the black performers who didn't have the priviledge of getting filmed only from the waist up. If I'm not mistaken James Brown at the very least had done the jumpsuit thing long before Elvis.

I had to laugh on seeing your subtitle. I just get this image of a really trashy current affairs show from the 1960s.

What happens when blacks and whites mingle - we bring you full details of their filthy halfbreed spawn after 9!

Eh, you might want to rethink that. Elvis got his onstage dancing hijinks from the black performers of the time.

---Baker

As I said, taking musical styles is one thing, taking a lifestyle is another.

As for hair styles and sideburns, you might want to look back and the black performers who didn't have the priviledge of getting filmed only from the waist up.

The Duck's Ass (with smaller sideburns) was a common hairstyle in the 50s, of course, but the ridiculously huge sideburns things came out in the 60s and 70s.

If I'm not mistaken James Brown at the very least had done the jumpsuit thing long before Elvis.

---Baker

Well, you might be right there, I don't know. Regardless, he didn't get "tagged" with it the way Elvis did. It became a part of Elvis' "mystique", I guess you could say.

I had to laugh on seeing your subtitle. I just get this image of a really trashy current affairs show from the 1960s. What happens when blacks and whites mingle - we bring you full details of their filthy halfbreed spawn after 9!

---cacto


But that's my problem; the wiggers and wannabes aren't half-breeds! I could better understand, if they were.

Simple. Black = cool, white = uncool. At least that's what the big boys tell me.

---shovelheat

Sorry, I missed this one.

But why, then, is this a fact? What makes blacks "cooler" than whites?
The whites who adopt black attitudes, styles and speech patterns come off looking like idiots. I often feel embarassed for them. Go get your own personality, loser.
Look at the 1-800-CALL-ATT "Poser Patrol" commercials from a couple years ago. A little over the top, maybe, but they were making fun of wannabes with those ads.

With the advent of cultural diversity coupled with white guilt. The papers, magazines ads all telling white kids how evil and rotten their white grand parents were, how the kept the black man down for 400 years, all the pride in who they are have been sucked out of them in the name of political correctness.

But that's my problem; the wiggers and wannabes aren't half-breeds! I could better understand, if they were.

Actually I was laughing at you. Your subtitle and the whole feel of your article is some of the most blatant 'subtle' racism I've seen in at least a week. Black culture is no less American than what you call white culture - shouldn't you be happy about the homogenisation of American culture, particularly in the face of those filthy Mexicans coming in and stealin' your jobs AND threatening your people?

What's that old line... oh yeah, "it's time for black and white to come together and make war on red".

You should be glad, Rightwinger, not unhappy at the rise of a new pan-race American culture.

Spoken like a true Aussie who hasn't got a clue about things American.

I like to think of it as a fresh perspective. Blacks and whites have lived in America together for hundreds of years, most of that time with clear separation. It's about time your cultures started amalgamating together - wasn't that the whole point of the forced integration of schools? So poor blacks could mix with poor whites and they could learn together? Cultural mixing was an inevitable end-result and the decline of white culture relative to black practically a given when you consider the slow destruction of societal ties in most middle class white communities.

At base I think that's the cause - whites think their own culture is weak and pitiful. The whys of that are pretty irrelevent and probably uninteresting. But I also think it's all for the best - there's no point fighting to keep a weak culture going when a stronger one is found. It's better to assimilate the strength of the new one and only keep what you absolutely need of the old.

A possible alternative to some of the answers given here.

When whites act black, they are not ostracized. But a black acting white is liable to end up dead. In other words, there is no risk for the white people, but there is a definite risk for a black to be labeled as acting white.

Your subtitle and the whole feel of your article is some of the most blatant 'subtle' racism I've seen in at least a week.

---cacto

Like I didn't see this coming.

Black culture is no less American than what you call white culture - shouldn't you be happy about the homogenisation of American culture,

---cacto

Not really; I simply find it disquieting that a person would adopt the attitudes, clothing styles and phrasings of someone else as a general lifestyle. They want to hang out, hang out, I don't care. just have enough self-respect and strength of character to be yourself and what you are. Do you think the blacks actually respect the "wigger whites" for being so weak? I doubt it.

particularly in the face of those filthy Mexicans coming in and stealin' your jobs AND threatening your people?

---cacto

Replay LW's response, #14, here.

What's that old line... oh yeah, "it's time for black and white to come together and make war on red".

---cacto

Never heard it; back to LW's response.

You should be glad, Rightwinger, not unhappy at the rise of a new pan-race American culture.

---cacto

Are there lots of white Australians who adopt the styles and culture of your aborigines? How would you see them if they did? Honestly.

It's about time your cultures started amalgamating together - wasn't that the whole point of the forced integration of schools? So poor blacks could mix with poor whites and they could learn together?

---cacto

Damn, I knew I there was SOMETHING I didn't like about integration, racist pig that I am. Ihave no problem with blacks and whites mixing; it's fair, it's just and it's right. Whites simply look stupid, trying so hard to be black.

and the decline of white culture relative to black practically a given when you consider the slow destruction of societal ties in most middle class white communities.

--cacto

And here, I always thought to planned result of integration was supposed to be the strenghthening of BOTH cultures, to the benefit of America, not the sublimation and ultimate destruction of one in favor of the other. Isn't that why we ended segregation in the first place?

At base I think that's the cause - whites think their own culture is weak and pitiful.

---cacto

You might, I don't. For someone who claims not to be a liberal, you sure do sound like one, at least here in America, anyway.

But I also think it's all for the best - there's no point fighting to keep a weak culture going when a stronger one is found. It's better to assimilate the strength of the new one and only keep what you absolutely need of the old.

---cacto

Gotta love that Darwinism, huh? Why is black culture better than white? Sorry, but generally speaking, anywhere blacks take over, the crime goes up, property maintanence and values drop and it becomes a ghetto, whether it started out that way or not. Sounds pretty weak to me.

When whites act black, they are not ostracized. But a black acting white is liable to end up dead. In other words, there is no risk for the white people, but there is a definite risk for a black to be labeled as acting white.

---Dr. Guy

Interesting thoughts. Thanks for posting, Doc.

The thing is though, for those wigger whites that seems to be their culture - a kind of hybrid cheap white trash/cheap black trash feel. We get the same thing with some people in Australia. We don't have more a few tens of thousands of Africans, let alone African Americans, and yet there's a fair few whites and Mediterraneans who dress and act like they're straight from the hood.

It may not be what anyone wants, but it's what they are and they have a right to it because it is their culture. What else should they be?

Are there lots of white Australians who adopt the styles and culture of your aborigines? How would you see them if they did? Honestly.

Yes. There are. We call them poor and frankly I don't care what they do. Their actions don't affect me and they've never acted any differently so I don't see any point in getting annoyed at them for not bathing or drinking too much. Instead the only civilised thing to do seems to be to try and give them the same opportunities the middle class has, so at least they have a choice of a different future.

And here, I always thought to planned result of integration was supposed to be the strenghthening of BOTH cultures, to the benefit of America, not the sublimation and ultimate destruction of one in favor of the other. Isn't that why we ended segregation in the first place?

Who cares what the purpose was? The end result is more interesting. The trend, at least in the popular culture you guys send overseas, suggests that whites are slowly fading from your artforms in place of Africans and Latinos. What does that say about white culture?

You might, I don't. For someone who claims not to be a liberal, you sure do sound like one, at least here in America, anyway.

If Liberals think there's something perceptive in social Darwinism when it comes to cultural matters then sure, I guess I'm liberal.

Gotta love that Darwinism, huh? Why is black culture better than white? Sorry, but generally speaking, anywhere blacks take over, the crime goes up, property maintanence and values drop and it becomes a ghetto, whether it started out that way or not. Sounds pretty weak to me.

I didn't say better. I said stronger. If black culture is pushing out what you consider white culture, then obviously white culture is weaker and black culture is stronger. I guess it all depends on whether you think culture is a zero-sum game.

We don't have more a few tens of thousands of Africans, let alone African Americans,

I would think you have very few African Americans. Maybe a few African Australians.

"Not really; I simply find it disquieting that a person would adopt the attitudes, clothing styles and phrasings of someone else as a general lifestyle."

I find it disquieting, too, especially when we talk about forcing Mexicans to become little whitebread beaver cleavers in order to come here.

I find it disquieting, too, especially when we talk about forcing Mexicans to become little whitebread beaver cleavers in order to come here.

----Baker

Baker, you seem to be the only one on JU who thinks that asking Mexican immigrants to please speak a little more English when they come here is tantamount to asking them to talk and act like Thurston Howell III and live in the 'burbs.

and yet there's a fair few whites and Mediterraneans who dress and act like they're straight from the hood. It may not be what anyone wants, but it's what they are and they have a right to it because it is their culture. What else should they be?

---cacto

But that's my problem; it's not what they are. It's what they think they want to be, and I just can't understand why that is. Maybe it's because I'm just such a horribly racist jerkoff that I expect a little "to thine own self be true" from people?

Yes. There are. We call them poor and frankly I don't care what they do. Their actions don't affect me and they've never acted any differently so I don't see any point in getting annoyed at them for not bathing or drinking too much.

---cacto

"We call them poor"----please. Just because they're poor, it's okay for them to act as if they're something they're not. 'Oh, wait; it's okay, he's poor, so just let him be'. It would be different then, if they were wealthy, right? Then they'd be oddballs or traitors to their class or something.

Who cares what the purpose was? The end result is more interesting. The trend, at least in the popular culture you guys send overseas, suggests that whites are slowly fading from your artforms in place of Africans and Latinos. What does that say about white culture?

---cacto

I don't know what it says about white culture, and I don't know where you're seeing that trend. If you listen to Baker, whites have no actual "culture" of their own, and so deserve whatever and wherever the fates take them.
I disagree, but that only seems to make me a white supremacist. I guess I'll just put on my robes and hood and go burn a cross on the lawn of a black church.

I didn't say better. I said stronger. If black culture is pushing out what you consider white culture, then obviously white culture is weaker and black culture is stronger. I guess it all depends on whether you think culture is a zero-sum game.

---cacto

Know what I think? I think that, if it had been the white people which had been in the position blacks have "traditionally" been in, that is to say, "poor and oppressed, downtrodden", etc., we'd be having this argument in the other direction. I do think I percieve a lot of white guilt in some of these comments. But that's just my opinion.

And thats one of the reasons white kids do this, RW, they have been taught by our liberal dominated school system that to be white is to be the epitome of all evil, so they bend over backwards to prove to blacks how 'cool' they are, denying their 'whiteness' in order to present themselves as non-threatening to blacks.

---LW

True; sad that it has to be that way, isn't it? Whites built Western Civilization, have given the world most of its prosperity and its technological and social advances, and yet we're the bad guys because we're white. I'd love to know where that thinking comes from.

What they don't know is that the blacks are laughing at them behind their backs when they act the fool like this.

---LW

Precisely; I asked cacto if he thought blacks actually respected the wiggers as people. No answer yet.

They'll figure it out soon enough, though, you don't see many mature wiggers, they seem to grow out of it sometime in their early 20s.

---LW

Yeah, but you have some wiggers who are fairly successful; Eminem, Kid Rock, Bill Clinton......

Precisely; I asked cacto if he thought blacks actually respected the wiggers as people. No answer yet.

Your articles seem to disappear a few hours after the last post, kind of like mirages. If I reply at all I have to reply in that window; it makes it difficult to be sure that I've covered everything. Sorry.

I don't know. I suspect no, but then there's always going to be a low-moderate level of background contempt in society when people don't act as they're expected to. In my view all societal change is generational; when the wiggers have kids I think their social status will be firmer and they'll have more respect.

But that's my problem; it's not what they are. It's what they think they want to be, and I just can't understand why that is. Maybe it's because I'm just such a horribly racist jerkoff that I expect a little "to thine own self be true" from people?

Why isn't it what they are? If it's how they act, how they speak, how they dress, how they think, what aspect of them is not wigger? They may not be true to their heritage but that's pretty natural for young anyway. Rebellions rocks.

"We call them poor"----please. Just because they're poor, it's okay for them to act as if they're something they're not. 'Oh, wait; it's okay, he's poor, so just let him be'. It would be different then, if they were wealthy, right? Then they'd be oddballs or traitors to their class or something.

Only Australia's poorest live in squalid little rural townships and spend their days drinking, fighting, and sniffing petrol, which from recent news reports appears to be the current depressing and fixable status of aboriginal culture. The wealthy are unlikely to ever emulate this, because their drug of choice is cocaine or maybe heroin. The rich tend to be able to afford luxury as well.

If you mean the traditional culture of the aborigines then I don't know if it survives amongst the wealthy aborigines. They claim to feel a kinship with the land but from my experience it's not a great deal different in scope and focus to that of the average greenie. Someone else might know better than me though. Australian aborigines are far more like your native Americans than your urban blacks. Many educated Australians claim some sort of respect for that culture or even mimic it in extreme cases, but it's not a youth thing.

I don't know what it says about white culture, and I don't know where you're seeing that trend.

Video Hits, MTV, etc, etc. If you watch the TV the only whites in your country seem to be trailer trash or the filthy rich and they all listen to black music.

Know what I think? I think that, if it had been the white people which had been in the position blacks have "traditionally" been in, that is to say, "poor and oppressed, downtrodden", etc., we'd be having this argument in the other direction. I do think I percieve a lot of white guilt in some of these comments. But that's just my opinion.

Sure, I'd agree with that. Don't know about the white guilt though - I have no intent of paying reparations for what my family has not done in the past. I know that the aboriginal population of Australia can be dealt with better but that's not based on guilt so much as a dislike for unnecessary suffering.

True; sad that it has to be that way, isn't it? Whites built Western Civilization, have given the world most of its prosperity and its technological and social advances, and yet we're the bad guys because we're white. I'd love to know where that thinking comes from.

Don't forget many of those technological and social advances came out of the Middle East and China. It's actually surprising how many did when you think about it. But yes, by the American definition whites built western civilisation. By the Australian one it was Mediterraneans, Australia's largest non-anglo ethnic grouping.

I was talking to some 20-something kid in a bar in Knoxville,TN a couple of years ago and he had the whole thing down. The clothes, the speech, everything. After listening to this idiot's speech for a few minutes I leaned over towards him and with a very serious look on my face asked him "umm, you do know you're white, right?"

He just got this stupid look on his face like I just informed him he had a cobra crawling out of his ass, got up and left.

Your articles seem to disappear a few hours after the last post, kind of like mirages.

---cacto

Sorry; this is because of my work schedule. I have to be at work at 7:00 AM my time, which is about, what, 8:00 PM your time? I only have time to post and that's about it until I get home. If I work my other job that day, I won't post at all until 5 or so the next morning.

Once again, I have to go; church thing tonight. I'll try to get to other comments later on.