Thumb drives can be informative..

The begining of the end of Al-Q???

As many here know I am in Law Enforcement and specifically Computer Crime Investigation, Computer Forensics. This is good stuff, you can recover data from these drives just like regular HD's. Nothing you delete is really gone most of the time. This story thats why I like this story so much. Its about what you can find on these things and what a positive it is for the fight on Terrorist in Iraq.
 
 
BAGHDAD (AP) — Iraq's national security adviser said Thursday a "huge treasure" of documents and computer records seized after the raid on terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's hideout has given the Iraqi government the upper hand in its fight against al-Qaeda in Iraq.

Iraqi National Security Adviser Mouwafak al-Rubaie also estimated that a large number of U.S.-led forces will leave Iraq by the end of this year, and a majority will be gone by the end of next year. "And maybe the last soldier will leave Iraq by mid-2008," he said.

Al-Rubaie said a laptop, flashdrive and other documents were found in the debris after the airstrike that killed the al-Qaeda in Iraq leader last week outside Baqouba, and more information has been uncovered in raids of other insurgent hideouts since then.

He called it a "huge treasure ... a huge amount of information."

When asked how he could be sure the information was authentic, al-Rubaie said "there is nothing more authentic than finding a thumbdrive in his pocket."

"We believe that this is the beginning of the end of al-Qaeda in Iraq," al-Rubaie said, adding that the documents showed al-Qaeda is in "pretty bad shape," politically and in terms of training, weapons and media.

"Now we have the upper hand," he said, speaking in English and Arabic at a news conference in Baghdad. "We feel that we know their locations, the names of their leaders, their whereabouts, their movements, through the documents we found during the last few days."

"They did not anticipate how powerful the Iraqi security forces are and how the government is on the attack now," al-Rubaie said, expressing optimism that the government would be able "to destroy al-Qaeda and to finish this terrorist organization in Iraq."

He said the documents, which he promised to release gradually after investigations were finished, would reveal details about the inner workings of the terror group and show how "al-Qaeda is using everyone as a pawn to play in this wargame, in this game of killing Iraqi people and destroying this country."

They "will show how their central strategy is to divide and destroy," he said.

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That is great news.  And yes, as I tried to explain to one guy here, just because data is deleted, does not mean it is not recoverable.
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, I happen to be in JAx, Fla teaching a computer forensics class this week and we talked about thumb drives and how you can recover all the deleted images and files from them using the right HW/SW combonations. We recovered images from one students thumb drive that were 5 years old!! And he thought that they had been gone for good. They were not flattering photos to say the least..

This news about the thumb drive off of the terrorist body cracks me up. It goes to show you, what you have on you evene though you thinks its safe, can be gotten by the right means and people.

 

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Here is what the Iraqi Government added to the statement:

Holding one of them in his hand, Rubaie added:

"I present to you a document that was found in one of Zarqawi's computers that reveals many dangerous things and gives details on strategy and plans of the al Qaeda terrorist organisation in Iraq."

Zarqawi, blamed for a campaign of beheadings and bombings that killed hundreds of people, died in a U.S. air strike north of Baghdad on June 7.

Iraqi and U.S. officials have hailed his death as a major blow to al Qaeda, while cautioning that it would not end violence.

Rubaie said the documents showed that al Qaeda's central strategy was to "divide, destroy and rule".

He added: "These documents have given us the edge over al Qaeda and (they) also gave us the whereabouts of their network, of their leaders, of their weapons and the way they lead the organisation and the whereabouts of their meetings."

Al Qaeda has vowed to fight on and its new leader in Iraq, little known Abu Hamza al-Muhajir, vowed in a Web statement earlier this week to avenge Zarqawi's death.

Good stuff there, I hope it helps kill a few more of them..

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theres a sucker born every minute.

there was no TREASURE TROVE of information ... its all planted.

Think back to the scene in the Minority Report ... where Colin Farrell walks into the apt of the child molestor and sees
tons of INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE ... exactly what he needed to pin the crime on the guy

dude if you are in law enforcement and cant make that connection ... I truly fear for all the "innocents" you may have
busted
Reply #5 Top
theres a sucker born every minute.

there was no TREASURE TROVE of information ... its all planted.


I imagine you go through a lot of tinfoil hats.
Reply #6 Top
>I imagine you go through a lot of tinfoil hats.

call it what you want friend ... apparently "thinking" is frowned upon in these parts.

In a country beseiged ... with less than 3 hours of electricity a day, bombed infrastructure, no running water ...
"the terrorists" someone manage to get the latest computer hardware ... (probably a direct line to DELL or PEOPLE PC) and
are able to stock their harddrives with

EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO SEE ... DOWN TO THE LATEST TALKING POINTS FROM THE PENTAGON CRASS

AMAZING!!!
after all the lies ...
IF YOU BELIEVE THAT ... I HAVE BRIDGE TO SELL YOU
Reply #7 Top
I imagine you go through a lot of tinfoil hats.


No, but a lot of anti-acids as that is all that keeps his bile in check. That is what he is. The green stuff that comes up with an upchuck. He is very good at that.
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Some time ago we were told that Jessica Lynch was the super soldier. I doubted it and I told my friends ... who laughed at
me. I pointed out that if you take time to scour through foreign media sources youll see that many state clearly that Iraqi
Soldiers had carried her to the hospital ... where Doctors later attempted a handover to our Soldiers

Then she comes back ... we find that our blond/blue-eyed girl was no super soldier
Oddly enough ... she "loses" her memory, especially the part we are disputing.

What likely happened is she was approached and told: "look, we will give you an honorable discharge and tuition money ...
just play along or shut up"

Sometime ago we were told Pat Tilman died at the hands of the enemy ... I made it known to my friends again that Pat had
actually turned against the army ... based on his letters home to mom ... and that he was either pushed to the front lines
or died from Friendly fire ...

Again they laughed ... until the "difficult" details started to emerge

So it went on with `:
WMD
NAPALM use
DAILY MY LAI murders
"TERRORISTS"
"AL QUEDA"
etc
etc
etc
etc
etc
etc


Most people around me, dont doubt anymore and most get their news (NOW) from foreign sources ... as our media is pure
propaganda. Most now keep their tv's off or watch it for laughter

lately:
I also predicted that after the "ACTOR" (aka Zaqawi') death ... there would be a new Emmanuel Goldstein

Somehow the Pentagon manages to get the Zaqawi replacements picture' and background info.

Ask yourself ... if you were leading Al Queda and your leader was assasinated (play along with me here) would you say
ANYTHING about your new leadership?

Why would you go then on an internet forum and announce that you have a new leader ?
...
and how is it POSSIBLE that the Pentagon has his picture and intimidate background almost the next day ...?

Assuming there is an "Al Queda" (play along with me here) either the group is TOTALLY PENETRATED, CIA/MOSSAD ASSETS or
they dont exist

In the first case ... why have they not all been captured?
So the second or third case must be true ... by process of elimination and a dose of common sense

carryon

Reply #9 Top
I want some of what rombios is smokin' - there may come a time when I want to completely escape reality, too.
Reply #10 Top
#9 by Daiwa
Sat, June 17, 2006 9:49 PM




I want some of what rombios is smokin' - there may come a time when I want to completely escape reality, too.


It's probably Labrador.
Reply #11 Top

rambios,

theres a sucker born every minute.

there was no TREASURE TROVE of information ... its all planted.

Think back to the scene in the Minority Report ... where Colin Farrell walks into the apt of the child molestor and sees
tons of INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE ... exactly what he needed to pin the crime on the guy

dude if you are in law enforcement and cant make that connection ... I truly fear for all the "innocents" you may have
busted

Are you talking to yourself?? Remember how you once commented how you and I WERE able to carry on a discussion without the stupid name calling and personal attacks. Guess you forgot. Oh and for your info, I never have arrested (26 years now) a person 'I thought was innocent'. Or I would not have arrested them.. Never had to plant stuff either, to many criminals carry the stuff on them for me to find.

BTW Minority Report is a "FICTICIOUS MOVIE", do you know the difference??

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Oh and Rambios, I challenege you to tell me how many cell phone users there are in Iraq now as compared to pre war. Thats a direct question that simply requires a number. Oh and also the Laptops and HD's and things have been reported on since the begginning of the war by the Washington Post, CNN, ABC, and all the other MSM. Since I dont trust them, I guess you don't trust them also. Trust anyone??
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rombios notwithstanding. theres something weird about the nature of busts. and all this war on terra crap.
we keep finding what we need to keep the occupation going ...

usually when something is too good to be true. it usually is.
Reply #14 Top
we keep finding what we need to keep the occupation going ...


If that were the case, we would have found a big ass stockpile of WMDs by now, doncha think?
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>If that were the case, we would have found a big ass stockpile of WMDs by now, doncha think?

no ... you cant plant WMD's ... you need support structures to prove said "wmd" was manufactured "here" or "there"
I am sure we attempted to plant it ... but couldnt get away with it ... it will invite OPEN SUSPICION especially from the
international organizations that conducted the searches before we invaded.

You cant make the sort of chemical and biological agents we alleged they still had ... in your basement
which is why the mobile laboratory joke was exactly that ... a joke
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no ... you cant plant WMD's ... you need support structures to prove said "wmd" was manufactured "here" or "there"
I am sure we attempted to plant it ... but couldnt get away with it ... it will invite OPEN SUSPICION especially from the
international organizations that conducted the searches before we invaded.


I see...that makes PERFECT sense!
Reply #17 Top
rombios has momentarily forgotten the cardinal rule: the strongest evidence of the existence of something is the absence of evidence of its existence. You can never be proven wrong when operating by that principle. That's why the intellectually lazy gravitate to it so readily.
Reply #18 Top
rombios has momentarily forgotten the cardinal rule: the strongest evidence of the existence of something is the absence of evidence of its existence.


That must have been what Jim Wright was talking about in the 1980 Blackbird conspiracy.
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BTW the answer to my question that Rombios forgot to answer as I asked was pre-war there were less than 25,000 cell phone users in Iraq. Now there are over 5 MILLION. These are those poor people he keeps talking about.
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Oh and a few more facts about "poor" iraqis.

The Iraq oil production is averaging 2.2 MILLION barrels a day. The goal set by the IRAQI Government is 2.5 million a day. It has increased by almost 1/4 million a day in just the last week alone.

Over 2.4 million Iraqis who had no clean drinking water in 2002 now have access to safe, potable water following USAID efforts to refurbish and expand 19 water treatment plants in five cities. By 2006, water treatment service will be provided to over 3.3 million Iraqis.

In 2002 Baghdad had access to electricity on a near continuous basis while the rest of Iraq was limited to 3 to 6 hours daily.

Here is what we have done so far:

  • Repaired thermal units, replaced/ added turbines, rehabilitated the transmission network, and installed and restored generators.
  • Returned to pre-war daily generation levels of 3,958 MW by October 2003 and reached a peak of 4,584 MW during July 2004.
  • USAID has added 1,086 MW of generation capacity through new generation, maintenance and rehabilitation work, and repaired the 400 KV Khor az Zubayr-Nasiriyah transmission line.
  • USAID and partners are rehabilitating or constructing 25 distribution substations in Baghdad to improve the distribution and reliability of electricity for more than two million residents. Eight critical substations were energized early in anticipation of the summer peak.
  • USAID has also begun an Operations and Maintenance Program (O&M) at the 19 generation sites throughout Iraq to improve the output and reliability.

Prior to the conflict, 1.2 million Iraqis subscribed to landline telephone service and much of the telecommunication network was centralized in Baghdad. However, many of the network’s switches were damaged during the conflict and service was disrupted. In Baghdad, 12 telephone exchange switches (out of 38 total) serving 240,000 out of 540,000 telephone lines were out of service. These switches connect main telephone trunk lines to individual consumer lines.

Since early 2003, telephone subscriptions in Iraq have increased almost four-fold, rising from 1.2 million land lines to 5.6 million land and cell lines. USAID has worked extensively to restore and expand Iraq’s vital telecommunications network, connecting government agencies, businesses, and Iraqi citizens to each other throughout the country and to the outside world. In 2004, emergency repairs to the wired network reconnected 20 major cities and 70 percent of Iraqi subscribers.

So stop trying to use the old false, it was better before the war lines. They make me want to puke. Iraqis have never had it as infra-structurally good as they do now. Most because of our troops and COE (Corps of Engineers, for those that don't know like rombios).

As for the information contained in my original post, you must have failed to read where it was the IRAQI GOVERNMENT stating the information was found and the IRAQI prime minister who said it was good stuff and made all the statements like:

Here is what the Iraqi Government added to the statement:

Holding one of them in his hand, Rubaie added:

"I present to you a document that was found in one of Zarqawi's computers that reveals many dangerous things and gives details on strategy and plans of the al Qaeda terrorist organisation in Iraq."

Zarqawi, blamed for a campaign of beheadings and bombings that killed hundreds of people, died in a U.S. air strike north of Baghdad on June 7.

Iraqi and U.S. officials have hailed his death as a major blow to al Qaeda, while cautioning that it would not end violence.

Rubaie said the documents showed that al Qaeda's central strategy was to "divide, destroy and rule".

He added: "These documents have given us the edge over al Qaeda and (they) also gave us the whereabouts of their network, of their leaders, of their weapons and the way they lead the organisation and the whereabouts of their meetings."

So if it was false information, then the Iraqis are lying to themselves. Seems rather pointless don't you think?

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Oh and from the MSM itself (I know don't faint!!)

Post-al-Zarqawi Raids Kill 104 Insurgents

By KIM GAMEL
The Associated Press
Thursday, June 15, 2006; 9:13 AM

BAGHDAD, Iraq -- American and Iraqi forces have carried out 452 raids since last week's killing of terrorist leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, and 104 insurgents were killed during those actions, the U.S. military said Thursday.

Maj. Gen. William Caldwell, a U.S. military spokesman in Baghdad, said the raids were carried out nationwide and led to the discovery of 28 significant arms caches.

He said 255 of the raids were joint operations, while 143 were carried out by Iraqi forces alone. The raids also resulted in the captures of 759 "anti-Iraqi elements."

 

Hmmm maybe they did find some good stuff. I know I know we kill hundreds of them a week anyway right?!? Well maybe not hundreds. We do capture more than 700 a week right?? Well maybe not. But that does not mean they found anything in his pockets that would help out. I mean it is all a big lie right??!?!

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I am not going to attack your points one by one ... I just dont have that much time ... but lets see how many I can get to:

1. iraqi oil production was SIGNIFICANTLY higher preinvasion than it is now
even with all the sanctions against iraq ... they managed to keep their equiptment humming along
even with all the near daily bombings of infrastructure ... in resolving "so called" violations of the nofly zone ...
they managed to repair and rebuild

2. lauding the efforts of USAID to repair threatment plants is silly.
WE BOMBED THOSE THREATMENT PLANTS
TELL ME WHY DID WE BOMB ELECTRICAL GRIDS, COMMUNICATION FACILITIES, SEWAGE PROCESSING AND THREATMENT???

Its like taking a club to someones head ... coming back the next day to give them a bandaid

3. telephone switches/networks damaged during the "conflict" where because we
BOMBED THEM TO SMITHAREENS

again take a club to someones knees come back and offer then bandaid and say "hey i am helping him heal"

4. cell phone use and popularity is expected ... after all it wasnt desire that prevented their wide spread use but
the SANCTIONS THAT WE IMPOSED


Finally
the statements of the iraqi government mean NOTHINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
let them try and make those same statements outside the green zone ... then ill take them seriously

these government officials are about as powerful as the mayor of kabul ... who we currently support ...
they will say anything to remain in power ... for their very EXISTENCE is bound to the occupation ... so I dont expect them
to EVER get out of line or like YOU

"OUT OF SCRIPT"
Reply #23 Top
rombios fancies himself a latter-day Oz. And is just as full of shit.
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rombios fancies himself a latter-day Oz. And is just as full of shit.

More like the Wizard there of.  Hiding behind the curtain with no real powers, just deception.

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I am not going to attack your points one by one ...

Funny you use the word attack. I would have used the word comment. Maybe shows how you truely feel?


1. iraqi oil production was SIGNIFICANTLY higher preinvasion than it is now
even with all the sanctions against iraq ... they managed to keep their equiptment humming along
even with all the near daily bombings of infrastructure ... in resolving "so called" violations of the nofly zone ...
they managed to repair and rebuild

Did you forget where all that oil money was going? Not to the people of Iraq but to the Administration that was busy building palces and undeground bunkers and bank accounts with money that was supposed to be earmarked for food and other things for the people. That was called "The UN Oil for Food" program in case you forgot, also it did not work and many countries made millions off of the program.

2. lauding the efforts of USAID to repair threatment plants is silly.
WE BOMBED THOSE THREATMENT PLANTS
TELL ME WHY DID WE BOMB ELECTRICAL GRIDS, COMMUNICATION FACILITIES, SEWAGE PROCESSING AND THREATMENT???

You seem to not have read the FACT that pre-war electricity was being noted, not post war. And the FACT is that the electrical, water and sewage treatment had been neglected becuase the countries leader was taking the money that was supposed to go to that and spending it on himself and his whims.

3. telephone switches/networks damaged during the "conflict" where because we
BOMBED THEM TO SMITHAREENS

You again forget about the pre-war and post war data. Telephone service is better and has increased to 4 times the pre-war level. Sorry your 'we caused it so we are fixing it' is just old song that is off key and patently a lie. Sorry call them as I see them.


4. cell phone use and popularity is expected ... after all it wasnt desire that prevented their wide spread use but
the SANCTIONS THAT WE IMPOSED

As much as I tried I could not find any sanctions anywhere in the UN or other documents that prevented Iraq pre-war from having, using or buying cell phones. The "SANCTIONS THAT WE IMPOSED" were done by the great and mighty UN were they not? Not the US, we just got stuck enforcing them as is the normal trend for anything the UN does. You seem to be fixated on only one thing. ITS ALL OUR FUALT. ITS ALL BECUASE OF THE US. Ad nauseum... Where do you live? and what have you done to make things better or served your country or the Iraqi peoples? I am willing to bet if you were capable of giving an honest response the answer to all of that would be nothing.