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from JoeUser Forums
This was a forward from my ex-wife. I do not know if this is true or not, but it sure is interesting.

1. The Garden of Eden was in Iraq

2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of civilization!

3. Noah built the ark in Iraq.

4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq

5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq!

6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq!

7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq.

8. Jonah preached in Nineveh- which is in Iraq.

9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel.

10. Amos cried out in Iraq!

11. Babylon, which is in Iraq, destroyed Jerusalem.

12. Daniel was in the lion's den, in Iraq!

13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq(Jesus had been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the Fiery furnace!)

14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the "writing on the wall" in Iraq.

15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq.

16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq.

17. The wise men were from Iraq

18. Peter preached in Iraq.


19. The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation is called Babylon, which was a city in Iraq!

And you have probably seen this one. Israelis the nation most often mentioned in the Bible. But do you know which nation is second? It is Iraq! However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible The names used in the Bible are Babylon, Land of Shinar, and Mesopotamia. The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. The name Iraq, means country with deep roots.

Indeed Iraqis a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible.

No other nation, except Israel, has more history and prophecy associated it than Iraq.

And also, This is something to think about! Since America is typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on his Muslim passages...

The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible)

Koran (9:11 ) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top

whoa,  that's some really cool stuff there Elie,  probably true.  Someone that knows the bible might be able to confirm this stuff or inform us of what might be accurate.

 

Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
1. I'm not sure if they've ever been able to verify that.

2. Meh, Personally....I think thats a load of dung.

3. Really, I always thought it was closer to Turkey. I remember watching a investigative show (A&E , I think) a while back where they *think* they found it near Mt. Ararat.

4. Yep, Babylon, correct?

5. Isn't Ur considered the first city?

6. Did not know that.

7. Same as 6

8. And then he got eaten by a fish. Of all things.

9. Ehhh, it wasn't just Iraq, it covered a lot of (Modern) Egypt, Kuwait, Israel, Jordan, Syria, etc... It was big.

10. Now whats my freshman health teacher doing there?

11. Yep, and I remember reading about how Saddam wanted to rebuild it. Guess he can't now.

12. For some reason, every time I have heard that story. I think it took place in Rome. :S

13. Shadrach, Meeshak, and Abindigo. I think.

14. Really. Hmm....

15. As did many others.

16. Really.

17. I remember reading about that some folks (historians, scientists, etc...) figure that they might have been Babylonian Astronomers.

18. Ok.

19. Which verse, do you know? I always thought it was someplace else.

~ Yep, as is Ethiopia, Syria...etc... (Not in those names though)

Koran (9:11 ) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace


I always found that verse to be interesting. Though, I'm not exactly sure if it means the USA. It could easily be anything else. (Lets hope though, cause it does say there will be peace)

No other nation, except Israel, has more history and prophecy associated it than Iraq.


Yep, and no other nation has whooped other nations butts all by there lonesome. (Yom kippur war, etc...) It is a big bomb in a tiny box.

~L
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Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
2 by ElindelWolf
Tue, June 06, 2006 4:43 PM


Koran (9:11 ) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace


ummmmm koran 9-11 as in sept 11th 2001?
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
#5 is definitely true. My husband was stationed at Talil Air Force Base which was right next door to a tourist attraction of sorts: Abraham's birth spot.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
Oh, I had forgotten about that. I was thinking more along the lines of the US of Bin Laden. He's Saudi, while he isn't technically the "son of arabia," he is favored in that country, despite what people think. Then, "the wrath of the eagle would be felt throughout the lands of allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despait still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle...." I.e. The US in the middle east. Well, I don't see it "cleansing lands of allah..."

Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
#5 by ElindelWolf
Tue, June 06, 2006 8:17 PM


He's Saudi, while he isn't technically the "son of Arabia


Lucas? wake up the full name of his country is SAUDI ARABIA
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
4 by AngelaMarie88
Tue, June 06, 2006 8:09 PM


5 is definitely true. My husband was stationed at Talil Air Force Base which was right next door to a tourist attraction of sorts: Abraham's birth spot.


HI angela!! been a long time since I have seen your name here.. Good to see you!
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top
*cough* I'm really sorry, buuuuut...

From snopes:

The chapter and verse citation reproduced in the example block above isn't a legitimate quotation from the Quran (or Koran), the sacred text of Islam — no such passage appears in that book, at Chapter 9, Verse 11 or anywhere else.

This item a hoax, a leg-pull, that plays on the USA's (i.e., the Eagle's) launching of military action against Afghanistan and Iraq (the "lands of Allah") in response to the September 11 terrorist attacks on America organized by Osama bin Laden (the "son of Arabia"). That the chapter and verse selection match the date of the terrorist attacks (9:11) is another giveaway to the joke.

I don't know about the other stuff (1-19) and I'm too lazy to look it all up. The Koran verse, though, isn't real.

Lucas:
I always found that verse to be interesting.


Huh? How is that possible if it's not a real verse?
Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top
HI angela!! been a long time since I have seen your name here.. Good to see you!


Good to see you too MM Yeah Joe User is fun and as much time as I spend on here I just can't seem to keep up with everything. Hence you rarely see me
Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top
2. Meh, Personally....I think thats a load of dung.

Why do you think it's a pile of dung, Lucas? Mesopotamia means "between (μέσος - [mesos] in Greek) the rivers" (πόταμος - [potamos] is the Greek for river) and refers to a fertile area between the Tigris and the Euphrates, covering modern day Iraq, eastern Syria and southern Turkey, that has indeed been called the 'Cradle of Civilization'.

This is where the first literate societies developed. Sumerian may well have been the first language ever written down. The region was home to the Sumerians, the Akkadian Empire, the Assyrians, the Babylonians and other ancient empires. These people developed metalworking, glassmaking, textile weaving and were one of the first Bronze Age peoples. They invented a sexagesimal (base 60) counting system, which is why we have 60 seconds in a minute and 60 minutes in an hour. They were amongst the first astronomers able to predict solstices and eclipses. Indeed as you yourself note elsewhere (?!!!) they developed the first great cities.

Now, none of this has that much to do with modern day Iraq. So, is this 'dung' business your carefully considered and researched opinion, or is it a desperate (and unsuccessful) cry for some 'attaboy' love from our more right-wing correspondents? Only you can know.
Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
I was just about to say what TW just said. I've seen this email many times. I believe many are correct if not all with the exception on the part about the Koran. Maybe someone added that later?

I could show you just about every statement above in scripture. Of course you can easily see the garden in Eden had the Tigris and Euphrates running right thru it in Genesis.

It's been all over the news since we invaded Iraq that it is indeed the cradle of civilization so that's easy as well.

Not sure about Peter and the empire of man. Have to check on those.

I believe it started over there and will end over there and Babylon will play a part in the end. It's not about America at all. I think we are here just for the sole purpose of missionary work and to be a friend of Israel. If not for us, there would not be a Jewish nation right now. But somehow we are going to wiped off the map or be disabled or taken over. Just can't figure how. I'm sure when it happens we'll know.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
Lucas? wake up the full name of his country is SAUDI ARABIA


Erm...I must be having a bad night. I am clueless of what you mean.

Yes, he is from Saudi Arabia, however, given the fact that names of places vary. Arabia, isn't just Saudi Arabia, it encompasses miles and miles.


Huh? How is that possible if it's not a real verse?


I always believe it was true, and thought it was interesting. My bad. Thanks for clarifying.

Now, none of this has that much to do with modern day Iraq. So, is this 'dung' business your carefully considered and researched opinion, or is it a desperate (and unsuccessful) cry for some 'attaboy' love from our more right-wing correspondents? Only you can know.


What about before written history? Neanderthals? Unless I am mistaken, they were around before the Mesopotamians. (shortened to Meso) Granted, the Meso's were more advanced. Still...

Not only that, but:

Cradle of Civilization is a title claimed by many regions of the world, but is most often applied to the ancient city states of Mesopotamia. The four rivers that scholars cite as being possible sites for the 'Cradle of Civilization' are: the Tigris-Euphrates in modern day Iraq, the Nile in Africa, the Indus in South Asia, and the Huang-Ho-Yangtze in China.

The civilizations that emerged around these rivers are among the first attempts humanity made at establishing societies and they all date back thousands of years.

(Wikipeida)

However, that is if we take into account various creationist beliefs and the "1,000 mile" radius.

*shrugs* Might be wrong. Probably am.

~L
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
#8 by Texas Wahine
Tue, June 06, 2006 8:41 PM


*cough* I'm really sorry, buuuuut...

From snopes:


don't be sorry tex, that is why I said I could not verify anything in this forward.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
#10 by Chakgogka
Tue, June 06, 2006 9:08 PM


2. Meh, Personally....I think thats a load of dung.


a desperate (and unsuccessful) cry for some 'attaboy' love from our more right-wing correspondents? Only you


I only give atta boys in very rare circumstances.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
#11 by KFC (Kickin For Christ)
Tue, June 06, 2006 9:20 PM


But somehow we are going to wiped off the map or be disabled or taken over. Just can't figure how. I'm sure when it happens we'll know.


we? as in Aamerica? ha! we have to many personal guns for that to even happen.
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
we? as in Aamerica? ha! we have to many personal guns for that to even happen.


ya for now you're right,but something is going to change, don't know how but I believe it to be so. This is a very common held belief by many Christians that study Prophecy. In order for Israel to be invaded (which is prophecy) we need to be out of the picture. That's what Armageddon is all about. We are not mentioned anywhere in this realm so just where the heck are we? We don't know. Only time will tell.
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
ya for now you're right,but something is going to change, don't know how but I believe it to be so. This is a very common held belief by many Christians that study Prophecy. In order for Israel to be invaded (which is prophecy) we need to be out of the picture. That's what Armageddon is all about. We are not mentioned anywhere in this realm so just where the heck are we? We don't know. Only time will tell.


That doesn't necessarily we are gone. I remember reading something mentioning that there would be a huge catastrophy, on such a scale that...we, as a country/continent would be, while not "wiped out," but taken out of action. Not sure where. *might* have been some of Tim Lahaye's stuff.

~L
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: KFC (Kickin For Christ)Posted: Tuesday, June 06, 2006we? as in Aamerica? ha! we have to many personal guns for that to even happen.ya for now you're right,but something is going to change, don't know how but I believe it to be so. This is a very common held belief by many Christians that study Prophecy. In order for Israel to be invaded (which is prophecy) we need to be out of the picture. That's what Armageddon is all about. We are not mentioned anywhere in this realm so just where the heck are we? We don't know. Only time will tell.


trust me before we would let this country fall to invasion we would do some evil drastic things, like use them 2000 plus nukes we have sitting around.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
trust me before we would let this country fall to invasion


are you kidding? Look around. I'm thinking the invasion has already started. Maybe we'll be like Rome, not fall from outside sources but fall from within. Very possible.

but taken out of action


yes that's what I mean by taken out of the picture. Just not sure how.
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
Oh yea, I did get that email too.
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
Reply By: little-whipPosted: Wednesday, June 07, 2006Verse 9:11 of the Qur'an is about repentance and reads as follows in three different English translations: But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity, they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand. ~But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. ~But if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, they are your brethren in faith; and We make the communications clear for a people who know.~Just so you'd know.


thanx whip, I sent an email to my ex-wife showing her where the foreword email was untrue.
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
There's a lot of the ancient history of Iraq in the Bible's Old Testament. Iran is Persia, and Iraq is Babylon. There was a History Channel special a while back about how a lot of Hussein's stupidity is a very real phenomenon in Iraq that springs from their want to regain the supposed world power and prestige that they once had.

Granted, it isn't that hard to be a world power when your world is basically just the mediterranean and a bit more to the east. It certainly plays into the fears/predictions of a lot of Bible literalists who believe that everything that what they think is predicted is coming to pass. The trouble with that is knowing whether the prophet was talking about 2500 years in the future, or something more contemporary.

Haven't bothered looking most of it up, but I am pretty sure the Magi were Persian Zoroastrians. Babylon also really doesn't have much claim on the Chaldeans or the Assyrians. Iran, Syria, Turkey, and other modern countries were absorbed by the Bablylonians, and they were later absorbed by the Ottoman Empire and others. "Mesopotamia" was really loosely used and the Iraqis don't really have a claim to it 100%.

It may seem like nitpicking, but that kind of aspiration to regain lost empires was what drove Hitler and other nuts, and frankly Iraqis are just as apt to twist history and hijack other empires as Hitler was. I call an Assyrian and Assyrian and a Chaldean a Chaldean. I don't like giving their weird volkishness any more validation.
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
#24 by BakerStreet
Wed, June 07, 2006 3:08 PM


volkishness
????????


do ya gotta use dem big words no one in the world but you know?


You always give such intresting answers baker, information filled too.

Now why do you even bothere with colgene>? where all your wisdom is just disgarded by his royal bush hater,: species Bushihatemour maximus.
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
Volkishness as relates to Volk.

A good read about German ideology regarding their volk is The Crisis of German Ideology. I'd recommend it, good read. The Iraqis, believe it or not, have kind of the same thing going, though a lot lighter on the 'master race' thing.

Re: Col Gene; I know, I used to fuss at you guys about feeding him. Dunno what is wrong with me...