The Haditha Incident, the Cover up, and the Truth

And Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free

http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/0,10987,1174682,00.html
The word Haditha is soon becoming a verb from its present location in the English language as a noun. Whenever the atrocities of the Occupation Forces were being highlighted in the Arab and Non Arab media, the immediate reaction of some self righteous individuals has been to dismiss the charges on the grounds that "we are too civilised to do all that". "Our Marines are too benign to indulge in such acts". "Our Governemnt is too upright not to indulge in cover ups" etc etc. The fact s are that the USA invaded Iraq without any reason on the pretext of the Weapons of Mass Destruction and having conquered the country tried its hand at setting the Sunnis an\gainst the Shiaas and the result is a full blown Insurgency which has careened out of control. Somewhere along the way are the inconvienient details of Abu Gahraib I and II, the use of Cluster Bombs on civilian targets, the wilfull destruction of a whole city-- Fallujah-- in the name of pacification and now Haditha. This catalogue of horrors can go on, but we owe it to the innocent dead to pause and reflect on Haditha and what it represents.

On November 19, 2005 a Marine outfit known as the Kilo Company belonging to the 3rd Battalion of the Ist Regiment was on patrol on the streets of Haditha. The policy of Rumsfeltf of not rotating the troops has been a factor since many of the marines were on their 3rd tour of duty in Iraq. Haditha is a small farming village/town along the banks of the Euphrates and is located 200 km north of the Capital. Though not part of the infamous Sunni Triangle, Haditha has become a centre of the insurgency against the occupying forces and here both the Sunnis and Shiaas have more or less a joint front. The flat mud roofed houses do not afford much protection. Of course, as in any Insurgency, there are attacks on the US forces. This Kilo Company had already acquired a degree of notoriety for its earlier counter insurgency.

Around 7:30 in the morning a bomb exploded on a street that was being patrolled by US marines in 5 humvees. All these humvees have had their undercarriage/chasis reinforced by armour plating. However, the Iraqi Insurgents use an IED which uses the conventional anti tank shell and is modified by the use of a pressure detonating device which means that when the vibrations of the approaching convoy reached the IED its charge is activated and its timer is usually set to blow up after 60 to 75 seconds. Most of the American casualities have been as a result of the IEDs. In societies which have turned against the invader such planning cannot take place without the approval/tacit support of the population. Afterall did not the Great Helmsman say that "insurgents are like fish in water".

The explosion killed one marine on the spot and injured several. What happened next is the stuff horrors are made of. The marine Terrazas was the one killed. A taxi cruising nearby was the first tatget. The Kilo Company opened fire and killed 5 young men in the taxi. The story put out by the Marines aftwer the Hadirah Massacre was that the young men in the taxi triggered the explosion. In the previous paragraph I have explained the mechanism of such IEDs. so the young men travelling in the Taxi were absolutely innocent.

After killing the young men in the car the Marines divided into two groups one went on a rampage while the other stood by and watched and helped in the cleanup and coverup that followed. The photos submitted by the marines do not show any of the dodies that bore the marks of bullet injuries. Only the buildings and the damaged humvees were shown. However, an amateur photographer took video rtecordings of the entire episode which has clearly brought out the fact of the cold blodded killings.One marine from the silent group took out his digital cameram and took some pictures and it is not clear whether these pictures were seen by the superior officers.

The Marines then put out the story that after the IED explosion there was firing from the roof tops. The houses in that part of Iraq as I have stated earlier are flat roofed and do not provide any protection. The local population has testified that the only firing wwas from the side of the Marine Unit.

The Kilo Company moved into 4 homes and a total of 24 men, women and choldren were shot in cold blood. Not a single one of then was a terrorist or even a militant insurgent. In fact the initial reaction of the higher ups in the US military when confronted with the facts of the Haditha Incident was to dismiss it as Al Qaeda Propaganda. The US Department of Defence now claims that it learnt about this Massacre only in Febuary 2006. Like in the case of the Abu Gharaib Affair, the attempt that is now being made is to fix the responsiblity for the Massacre on some junior officers and men and procalim that the political leadership was not complicit in the acrime. If this be the case then how come Saddam Hussain is being teied for war crimes when in fact he ordered only the excecution of the prisoners after due process. The Haditha Massacre has compromised US ability to hand out any punishment to Saddam because the conduct in the post Saddam period in not different from what existed earlier.

Now the coverup. The higherup in the Marine Command knew about the Haditha Massacre and decided to falsify the facts in order to make the whole thing seem like a fire fight with the Insurgents and the death of the civilians be passed off, yes, as "collateral damage". The Kilo Comany could not expalin why the young men in the car had no weapons if indeed they had been firing at them. They could not expain why the bullet injuries on the corpses of the victims were so suspiciously similar. The contradictions began to mount and then the politicians like Rep Jack Murtha started demanding justice for the victims.

The world is watching.
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Reply #1 Top
The truth is, vomit eaters such as yourself are willing to see these Marines tried in the press instead of in a Court Martial. You make me sick, you and that media whore Murtha. Apparently Due Process and Rights mean nothing to scum like you.

You have no idea what the facts are, but you are just salivating over another excuse to spit on our troops.

Well, I see your spit and vomit on you...

As for the Marines... Let them be investigated, tried and if they are guilty let them face the consequences of their actions. However, mealy mouthed losers like you have no right to try them in the court of public opinion.

YOU HAVE NOT EARNED THAT RIGHT!
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scum like you.


spit on our troops.


I see your spit and vomit on you...


However, mealy mouthed losers like you have no right to try them in the court of public opinion.


When you mouth such nonsense and think that you are being "patriotic" I think the USA can do without patriots like you and I will rather be on the side of Murth and the like who are truthful and not shallow, stupid moral dwarfs.
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anything to smear America, right? The more of this shit you and your ilk post on the net, the more likely it is that some other mindless parrot will find it and repeat it as if it were the gospel truth.


This is not the case. Do not take a narrow perspective on this,I do not hold the American people guilty of the crimes comitted by their Government.That the incident took place is now beyond dispute. One can put a spin on it and say that the marines were under stress. However if Haditha were an isolated incident then one can take a polyanna view and dismiss it as a bad dream. LW such incidents have become very common.

The facts of whaT happened on Nov 19 th are out in the public domain and I do not get my facts from Al Jazerra. Yes I am living in relative safety and I hope you in Richmond is also safe. Just think of the people in Iraq who are being needlessly killed in the name of the American people.
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Why do you consider it just to try these marines in the press?

Your hero Murtha announced them guilty when he wasn't even sure the incident happened, much less had any real information about it.

Apparenlty neither of you care about justice, only your pathetic hatred.
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bahu? could you at least wait till there are some charges pressed, if any are pressed at all before you continue to orgasm all over yourself?
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Bahu, you are to be commended for your temperance in light of the insulting tone of the responses. I don't necessarily agree with your article, either in tone or content

Bahu's account jibes pretty closely with what is being reported in mainstream media; if anyone bothers to look at his link, it is to the Time Magazine. But futher, you can go onto Google and find many similiar accounts. The accounts are similiar because they come from the same source: a video tape of interviews with the survivors made by Hammurabi Human Rights Group the day after the incident.

Anyone wanting to read the accounts on line without subscribing to Time can try this link: Link

Let me again stress that all accounts publicly available come from that single source. Testimony by the Marines that were there simply is not available at this time.

The US Military has found sufficient corroboration of the interview and forensic evidence to open an investigation. The military initially stated that the civilians were killed by insurgents, but now acknowledges that they were killed by Marines. There are areas of dispute, but they are minutae. We do not know if a civilian was hiding in the closet when he was shot or reaching into the closet for what might have been a gun. It is pretty clear to me that the three children killed were innocents.

It is inevitable to the nature of the conflict. Our enemy doesn't wear uniforms. Today's innocent civilian is tomorrow's terrorist, with no change of appearance.

Put yourselves in the position of the Marines. It is nighttime, visibility is limited. A roadside bomb goes off, blowing up a Humvee and killing Lance Corporal Miguel (T.J.) Terrazas, 20 years old. (A little more than a year older than my son, by the way. I can easily feel for his parents.) You hear, or think you hear, shots coming from the nearby houses. Is it improbable that there might be a "devastatingly violent response by a group of U.S. troops who had lost one of their own to a deadly insurgent attack and believed they were under fire." Quote from the Time article previously referenced.

There are possible scenarios and extenuating circumstances. Maybe there was a gun in the closet or an armed terrorist who had just fired on the Marines. Evidence could easily have been removed before the video tape was made. The aforementioned Human Rights group has no "official" standing. Again quoting from the article "the Marines say they came under fire from the direction of the Waleed house immediately after being hit by the ied."

But the indisputable truth is that, among others, a two-year old child is dead. There is no way to make that seem good.
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Right Larry, while there is sufficient evidence to warrant an investigation, Bahu and Murtha have already jumped to a vertict and sentencing. Where goes your benefit of the doubt, so goes your heart. Bahu and Murtha show their contempt for the Marines and allegiences to the bacteria by their very actions.

I read today that there are calls for exections of the Marines. WOW, executions before even the first actual charge is read against 1 Marine. I'm sure Bahu and Murtha would gladly hold the knife while the other gleefully beheads these Marines (even without benefit of a trial).

The fact that Murtha and Bahu are salivating over even the possibility of bad press for the Marines shows them for who they truly are.
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And Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free


Empty words considering you have the Marines convicted before they have been indicted on ANY charges.

Truth? You couldn't possibly care less about the thruth.
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I think you are way ahead of yourself when you try and state the "truth" of this. Even if you discard the reality that you will never, ever really know the "truth" of this (no one can), we really don't know the story from all its perspectives.

Think of it in terms of how you want us to view the violence in the Middle East. You, yourself, get angry when people discount the Middle East and other areas without seeing their side of the issue. You haven't seen the soldier's side here. You have no way of knowing their side as yet.

I appreciate your outrage, and I think anyone with a heart would be outraged. At the same time you should remember that the Middle East as a whole has been excusing and even promoting the idea of murder as reprisal for decades. We have been told that we must see the perspective of people who are angry, hunted, and bitter and understand why they do the evil things they do.

And, not to be too biting, but it is highly hypocritical to claim the Iraqis were better off under Hussein, a man who destroyed entire extended families and whole communities in response to things far less threatening than the attack on these soldiers.

If you are really as outraged about this as you seem, perhaps you should rethink the time under Hussein you glamourize when this sort of action was commonplace.
Reply #10 Top
It is nighttime, visibility is limited


You hear, or think you hear, shots coming from the nearby houses. Is it improbable that there might be a "devastatingly violent response by a group of U.S. troops who had lost one of their own


I appreciate your outrage, and I think anyone with a heart would be outraged. At the same time you should remember that the Middle East as a whole has been excusing and even promoting


It was around 7:30 in the morning not evening. This littel detail is important and in Iraq sunrise in November is around 5;30. So the plea that there was no light is difficult to sustain. However, I can understand the pain of the death of the marine and I do not condone it. But think that there is little if any justification for a war that has gone horribly wrong.

The story of firing from the roof tops has already been disproved. There was not a single shell or bullet casing on the ground from any weapon except the standard US army issue. Please, Sir, these are significant details that to the best of my knowledge is being discussed. Now Bakerstreet's point about the violent politics of repraissals in the Middle Esat not being condemned: We are apalled at the violence and repeatedly we have said that Saddam;s regime was not a model one. We have a new situation to deal with.

If you are really as outraged about this as you seem, perhaps you should rethink the time under Hussein you glamourize when this sort of action was commonplace


Nothing could be further to the truth. I believe for the ordinary non political Iraqi life under Saddam was certainly not as violent as what it has become today. Now if the Sunnis do not get you, the Shiaa Militia men will: iof you escape both of them then there are the American forces. So let us view all the happenings in perspective. While it is nobodys caser that Iraq was a land of milk and honey during the dark days of Saddam Husseian, the present situation is altogether different. It is not hypocracy, but a statement of fact.

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Bahu, you are to be commended for your temperance in light of the insulting tone of the responses. I don't necessarily agree with your article, either in tone or content


Thank you. I really appreciate your words even if you do not agree with me. I will not be uncivil to any one and certainly not on the net. I must say your words did bring out one of the great aspects of blogging: that one can disagree in an agreeable manner. Thanks.
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"So let us view all the happenings in perspective."


Yes, lets. Previous to his downfall Hussein used violent reprisal against family, friends and community as standard procedure. He tortured the children of people who committed offenses against his regime. Entire towns were slaughtered as a reprisal for attacks against him.

How you can equate that to what the Americans are doing there now is beyond me. You have gloriously displayed the double standard of brushing off Arab atrocity and then dealing with the aberations of American behavior as if they were somehow worse. Your silent tolerance of these horrors is a symptom of why they are allowed in the Middle East.

You have no moral authority to judge these soldiers so long as you stand by silently while the SAME ACTS are committed by Iraqis and others elsewhere. I am beginning to lose hope that you are bent on anything more than blaming the US, and the violence is just a means to an end. You simply accept Arab-on-Arab violence as par for the course, and spend your time railing at the exceptions to the usual restraint of American soldiers.

If you want to have any integrity at all, you'll offer as much venom and outrage to the constant murders of innocent Iraqis, Israelis and others who are killed out of vengeance and reprisal. I hope that you rethink this dishonest crusade.
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If you want to have any integrity at all, you'll offer as much venom and outrage to the constant murders of innocent Iraqis, Israelis and others who are killed out of vengeance and reprisal. I hope that you rethink this dishonest crusade.


Do you really think that we are just blinkered supporters of that tyrant Saddam Hussain. No ! No!

Well having said that, Baker, you must appreciate the fact that while Saddam regime was bad very bad, the basix security of life, occupation and if you can call it that, culture, was imtact. The entire fabric of Iraqi life has been torn apart at its seams and it has led to violence.

Saddam is now facing trial. He is History. In all probalility he will be sentenced to die and later commuted and then let loose on some other land. So what we see happening is the horrors of jour quotidian.

Had Bush and his merry men waited before rushing to war on bad, cooked up intellegence a lit of pain, suffering and horrors could have been avoided.
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No, Bahu, and that's where you are hypocritical about it. Horrors wouldn't have been avoided. They would have just been horrors that you don't seem to care about, because they are committed by people you aren't interested in.

Peace based upon the threat of those horrors is not peace, and your characterization of it being so is sickening. You let numerous horrors slip past you every day without making mention of them, most of which are far more hideous than Haditha. The fact that you choose only to acknowledge those committed as aberations of normal US restraint tells me that your agenda isn't anti-horror, it is anti-US.

I'm sorry for saying that, and I know it sounds like the rest of our flag wavers around here, but you really need only look at what you are doing. I've kept my fingers crossed for a long time, but you've rarely failed to behave this way. People who are truly inspired to oppose horrors oppose them no matter who commits them. You choose only to voice your opposition to those that promote a political agenda.
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Just think of the people in Iraq who are being needlessly killed in the name of the American people.


Yeah, they're there needlessly killing people in my name. Right. And f*ck all the people being needlessly killed in the name of... what, the Koran? Osama? The "Iraqi people"?

You start taking the terrorists and other murdering scum to task for the mayhem, I'll start taking you seriously. Baker has you pegged. I'm surprised it took you so long to post an article on this, actually.
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"Just think of the people in Iraq who are being needlessly killed in the name of the American people."


So are the untold numbers murdered by anti-US and anti-Israel interests being needlessly killed in your name, Bahu? I believe Bahu doesn't write about such because there is no expectation of humanity from the people involved. Through his anger at the US he betrays the fact that he thinks very little of the people he pretends to be advocate for.
Reply #17 Top
Thank you. I really appreciate your words even if you do not agree with me. I will not be uncivil to any one and certainly not on the net. I must say your words did bring out one of the great aspects of blogging: that one can disagree in an agreeable manner. Thanks.


LIAR!! You are willing to see these Marines tried in the court of public opinion, there is NOTHING civil about that.

yes, Bahu, we can disagree without the venom... but if you can condemn US Marines, before there has even been a single charge levelled against them... well, then venom is all you have.
Reply #18 Top
"It's very, very tragic that on occasion, Iraqi civilians are injured or killed, and we take that very seriously," he said. "We don't like it, but we shouldn't rush to judgment on every incident that we see.

"Our soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines are facing a hostile and terrorist threat that refuses to abide by established rules of decency and laws of armed conflict," he continued. "Their mission is difficult, and they daily place their lives at risk to protect the people of Iraq. We should take great pride in the hundreds of thousands of servicemembers who honor us daily with their courage, their competence and their sacrifice."

Hey Bahu, whens the last time you were shot at?? Just curious..
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Oh my quotes came from this..

Probe Clears Coalition Forces of Wrongdoing in March 15 Raid

WASHINGTON, June 3, 2006 – An investigation has concluded that coalition forces "operated in accordance with the rules of engagement governing our combat forces in Iraq" during a March 15 raid in which Iraqi civilians died, a coalition spokesman said early today in Baghdad.
Army Maj. Gen. William B. Caldwell IV, Multinational Force Iraq spokesman, said that in response to claims that as many as 13 civilians were killed in the raid near Ishaqi, south of Samarra, officials launched an investigation the next day.

"The investigation revealed the ground force commander, while capturing and killing terrorists, operated in accordance with the rules of engagement governing our combat forces in Iraq," Caldwell said.

Credible intelligence led to the raid, in which Ahmad Abdallah Muhammad Nais al-Utai, also known as Hamza, a Kuwaiti-born al Qaeda cell leader, was captured and Uday Faris al-Tawafi, also known as Abu Ahmed, an Iraqi involved in making roadside bombs as well as recruiting local people to join the insurgency, was killed, Caldwell said.

When ground forces arrived at a house that intelligence reports said was being used as an insurgent safe house, they came under fire from the building, the general said.

"As the enemy fire persisted, the ground force commander appropriately reacted by incrementally escalating the use of force from small arms fire to rotary wing aviation, and then to close air support, ultimately eliminating the threat," he said.

"Allegations that the troops executed a family living in this safe house, and then hid the alleged crimes by directing an air strike, are absolutely false," the coalition spokesman added.

In the subsequent search, the general said, coalition forces documented the discovery Abu Ahmed's body and those of three noncombatants.

"The investigating officer concluded that possibly up to nine collateral deaths resulted from this engagement, but could not determine the precise number due to collapsed walls and heavy debris," Caldwell said, repeating that the investigating officer ascertained the ground force commander properly followed the rules of engagement as he "necessarily escalated the use of force until the threat was eliminated."

Caldwell noted that Arab and Western media have focused a great deal of attention recently on allegations of coalition troops killing innocent civilians in Iraq.

"Temptation exists to lump all these incidents together," he said. "However, each case needs to be examined individually. Let me be clear. Multinational Force Iraq does not and will not tolerate unethical or criminal behavior. All allegations of the loss of civilian life are thoroughly investigated. All loss of innocent life is tragic and unfortunate, and we regret such occurrences. We take all reports of improper conduct seriously; we investigate them thoroughly, and hold our troops accountable for their actions."
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I find it insane that people say the US should sit at the table with HAMAS, who has for years been murdering people for political reasons or out of sheer vengeance, and then a few weeks later pretend that this is somehow worse. Fatah was responsible for so many killings, sometimes of their own people, and yet they can stand up and pretend to be "moderate" diplomats in Palestine now.

This kind of facetious double-standard only undermines the cause of peace. It becomes obvious that peace isn't the goal, rather it is the constant harrowing denunciation of the US. If they had a problem with murderers, they wouldn't give ANY of them a pass. In Bahu's case, the US is the only bad-guy he is interested in, in a region chocked full of bad guys. It makes the denunciations hypocrotical and meaningless.
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WASHINGTON, June 3, 2006 – An investigation has concluded that coalition forces "operated in accordance with the rules of engagement governing our combat forces in Iraq" during a March 15 raid in which Iraqi civilians died, a coalition spokesman said early today in Baghdad. Army Maj. Gen. William B. Caldwell IV, Multinational Force Iraq spokesman, said that in response to claims that as many as 13 civilians were killed in the raid near Ishaqi, south of Samarra, officials launched an investigation the next day.


We are discussing the Haditha Incident not the Ishaqi or the Samarra killings. In any event the US Military will not find its own troops guity and if there is a probe into the killings of civilians it will only be an eye wash to fool the world. Let there be a credible International Inquiry like the Nuremberg Trials and you will see how many are indicted for crimes against humanity.
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"In any event the US Military will not find its own troops guity and if there is a probe into the killings of civilians it will only be an eye wash to fool the world. "


Okie doke, you've gone on record on that one. What will you do if you are wrong? Why, if I may ask, don't aren't you calling for war crimes trials for the leaders of Hamas who are now politicians after ordering the deaths of many, many civilians?

Do you think the leaders of Fatah should be sent to an international war crimes tribunal for events like the slaughter at Kibbutz Metzer? Your pet mass-murderers not only get a pass, but use the notoriety of their murders to propel them into the political arena. You should be ashamed of your hypocricy.
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Bahu,

You need to read "Marine charged in killing of Iraqis"
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and this one: "Still not charged with crime, sailor wears shackles"
Link

If AFTER the investigation they are found to be guilty and charged then prosecute them, but what has happened is everyone jumping to conclusions and accusing people of cover ups, murder and other things BEFORE the investigation is complete. It will not be the first or last time this happens. It happens in war, sorry, it happens. Get over it and realize the world is not a perfect place and never will be as long as man runs the show.

Oh and I would love to hear a comment from you if they do charge these guys. The Marine in the second story I linked to for you has not even been charged with anything yet. Nice huh.
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Oh and did you forget that we have already sentenced the soldiers involved in the "torture" of the prisoners at Abu Garib? Guess we covered that one up too.
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In any event the US Military will not find its own troops guity and if there is a probe into the killings of civilians it will only be an eye wash to fool the world.

This is an opinion with no basis in fact and belies your obviously biased views here. The truth is that the US military has tried and sentenced soldiers in the past when they were found to have committed crimes during war and probably will do so in the future. But they do not do so without facts to support the charges.

Your posts are so far in left field as to be laughable. You used the word "truth" in your title but you don't seem at all to be interested in truth, just your own political viewpoint and this makes you far too uncredible to be taken seriously. The truth is, none of us, yourself included, knows all of the actual facts of this situation.

I suppose objectivity is beyong your capability.