Shame On You America!

Rice and Powell Admitted Iraq Had No WMD in Feb. 2001!

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US personnel are being killed and gleefully dragged through the streets of Iraq's cities. These are civilians doing the dragging so one can't claim it's some enemy action or enemy induced. This is spontaneous reactions by Iraqi civilians who don't want the US in their country. No one ever claimed the Somalians actually welcomed the US. Why is the lie continuing about Iraq? The human cost is too much to continue like this.
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/wounded/
These pawns responded to their country's call and receive nothing for their commitment and trust for their country. Some of them should never have been sent at all.
http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20040312-042634-9733r
Rice and Powell admit Iraq was without WMD in Feb. 2001!
http://www.thememoryhole.org/war/powell-no-wmd.htm
an excerpt: "
We had a good discussion, the Foreign Minister and I and the President and I, had a good discussion about the nature of the sanctions -- the fact that the sanctions exist -- not for the purpose of hurting the Iraqi people, but for the purpose of keeping in check Saddam Hussein's ambitions toward developing weapons of mass destruction. We should constantly be reviewing our policies, constantly be looking at those sanctions to make sure that they are directed toward that purpose. That purpose is every bit as important now as it was ten years ago when we began it. And frankly they have worked. He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq..."
So there you have it. Will the 911 commission have the balls to ask about these statements they made in 2001 WHEN THEY WERE THE ONES IN THE KNOW AND IN CHARGE? Time will tell. I for one think it will be a very nice and smooth ride for Rice since the truth will set one free, and there's no room for freedom here anymore.
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Reply #1 from JoeUser Forums Top
So because some civilians are against our presence in Iraq, that means that all or even a majority of Iraqi civilians are against it?
As for the quote, I would like to know what made them change their mind about the situation in Iraq.
Reply #2 from JoeUser Forums Top
The 'some civilians' are representative of their society, unlike what your newslinks might claim. However, things would be a lot better if the US didn't slaughter all those civilians when they were protesting America's presence in their country. Remember that? The 50 cal. tank gun mowing down kids, women, and men?
Sins of a Solar Empire II
Reply #3 from JoeUser Forums Top
How do you know that these people are representative of their society?
I agree though that the U.S. did make some mistakes that hurt the occupation. Still, that incident sounds as though some details are missing.
Reply #4 from JoeUser Forums Top
Super Baby: Do you have any indication that the majority of Iraqis welcome the invaders? This isn't just a few extremists. Look at the body count for american soldiers - I think it's pretty obvious that they're not welcome there.
Reply #5 from JoeUser Forums Top
The US count is so high people feel compelled to laugh about it saying 'aome Americans were liberated this morning..'. Tasteless but it shows the apathy towards the US for its unjust reasons, lies if you will, for war. And the slaughter of the Fallujah citizens was well documented at the time, just not really so well on Fox and CNN.
Reply #6 from JoeUser Forums Top
It does say something that if soldiers are being dragged around the streets.....and peopl edon't lynch them.....that popular opinion either agrees, or doesnt care.
Reply #7 from JoeUser Forums Top
When civilians are callous enough to hang dead people, I'd say they're quite sure of their hatred. They want the US to just leave.
Reply #8 from JoeUser Forums Top

Good grief.  Some of you are so biased against the United States you're not seeing straight.

You know what? Americans get killed in higher numbers here in the United States. So what? To generalize all of Iraq as one big mound.

You taking polls? Where are you taking polls? No? I didn't think so. For you rinformation, this attack occurred in the Suni triangle. And you can bet your rear end that many Suni's don't want the americans there. They were doing just fine under the Baathist rule as Shites and Kurds were being ground under foot. I bet former Nazi's in Germany would have liked the US to leave too in 1945.

Reply #9 from JoeUser Forums Top

BTW, 408 Americans soldiers total have died in enemy action in Iraq. Not exactly big numbers.

You know what? A few years ago a black man was dragged behind a car in Texas until he died. Clearly, Americans don't want blacks here. They must want them to leave.

Isn't that the logic you're using?

Reply #10 from JoeUser Forums Top

One last point: The title of your post is very telling.

Four innocent American civilians were murdered and you say "Shame on you America".

Reply #11 from JoeUser Forums Top
Lol. Brad here is taking the time to tell us that the US is actually welcomed in Iraq, just as President Bush did on that horrifying interview he did not long ago. You could hear the groans when he said, after a pause....'yes, I think we're welcome' in Iraq. Brad here is using number-crunching to tell everyone that the war in Iraq is working. Never mind the actual death toll for the US, including suicides and accidents, is over 1000. But why should anyone care about them enough to include them in the numbers game? See what happens? Body counts are the last refuge for followers of a cause for death.
Reply #12 from JoeUser Forums Top
For Brad. The 'civilians' you speak of. http://www.antiwar.com/blog/index.php?id=P660

"American Mercenaries killed in Fallujah

Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt said at a briefing in Baghdad that it was not known what the coalition contractors were doing in Fallujah — apparently without a military escort — when the attack occurred.

U.S. officials, who spoke with NBC News on condition of anonymity, said that all four contractors were Americans who worked for Blackwater USA of Moyock, N.C. The officials did not confirm reports from the scene that a woman was among the dead.

Blackwater USA supplies security guards to the Coalition Provisional Authority and has provided protection for Iraq administrator L. Paul Bremer, among other coalition officials.



That would explain why some Iraqis reported that dog tags were removed from some of the corpses. These people were not "civilians" or "contractors." They were private troops hired by the CPA - mercenaries.

The US is hiring mercenaries in Chile to replace
its soldiers on security duty in Iraq. A Pentagon contractor has
begun recruiting former commandos, other soldiers and seamen,
paying them up to US$4000 a month to guard oil wells. Last month
Blackwater USA flew about 60 former commandos from Santiago to a
training camp in North Carolina. Many of them had trained under
the military government of Augusto Pinochet.

The Guardian March 24, 2004"
Reply #13 from JoeUser Forums Top
Stating your opinion as a fact doesn't make it a fact no matter how patronizingly you post it.
Reply #14 from JoeUser Forums Top
lol. Ok Brad ok. Play that silly word game. So then, you deny what Rice and Powell said themselves? My opinion is based on the words that came out of your leaders' own mouths. Why would you possibly think it's my opinion when it's THEIR own words that said it? I just pointed it out to you. You're silly. Maybe even a 'troll'.
Reply #15 from JoeUser Forums Top
Before anyone makes statements about what the Iraqi people do or don't want it's worth reading what they themselves think.
A recent poll in Iraq (http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/bsp/hi/pdfs/15_03_04_iraqsurvey.pdf) highlights this very well.

Almost 80% better off than 1 year ago
48% felt invasion was right (40% wrong 12% unsure)
66% have n oor little confidence in US and UK troops
17% felt attacks on coalition forces were acceptable
10% felt attacks on civilians working with coalition forces was ok
4% felt attacks on civilians working for UN or humanitarian bodies was ok
only 1.5% felt attacks on new police were acceptable


Paul.
Reply #16 from JoeUser Forums Top
I wish it were true but I hate polls since they can be manipulated constantly. I'm sure there are polls suggesting people who like to eat their own excrement are healthier than those who don't. :)
Reply #17 from JoeUser Forums Top
I would post somthing about this, but I dont feel like getting Mickey moused around with.
Reply #18 from JoeUser Forums Top
So, you don't like polls, yet you know that those attacks are representative of Iraqis? I would like to know how you know that, and remember not to use polls either and just because one person says something does not mean it's representative of the entire society.
Reply #19 from JoeUser Forums Top
This guy's a waste of our time. He's just a mindless idealogue. When facts or evidence don't agree with him he just ignores them.
Reply #20 from JoeUser Forums Top
Dude... you got the Drab Bore-well smack down!
Reply #21 from JoeUser Forums Top
pardon Brad? That was dumb to say. Ignore what facts? How can you sit there saying that when you saw what the sentiment is towards Americans in Iraq. Are you saying you'd feel safe to be American in Iraq? Lmao. Look what happened then tell me I'm ignoring facts. What facts did you even spout? None?
Reply #22 from JoeUser Forums Top
Drab Bore-well smack down!

lmao!!!!!

Trinitie
Reply #23 from JoeUser Forums Top
I wouldn't feel safe in the poor (i.e. bad) part of town. Does that mean that all poor people are criminals, or that some of them are, and it's possible that they might not represent the entire society as a whole? Again, you have absolutely no evidence that the terrorists in Iraq represent the majority of Iraqi opinion.
Reply #24 from JoeUser Forums Top
mikimouse,

of course polls can be manipulated, that why I provided the link to the entire poll, not just the numbers I wanted to use. If you use the link you will see a detailed breakdown of which Iraqis were asked the questions and exactly what questions they were asked. You can also go through the data and extract results which you feel would highlight your arguement. 17% of Iraqis across the entire country may mean than in certain areas a majority may indeed support the disgusting scenes we saw on TV. In my belief though the poll is very valid and very representative. It does indicate that the vast majority of Iraqis oppose violence, though the majority also want the Americans out as soon as possible.

Paul.
Reply #25 from JoeUser Forums Top
all I can say is that I hope things end up alright. The US should not be in Iraq. I agree with Clarke that it took away resources to go after the real enemies. Iraq had nothing to do with 911 so it's wrong to be there.