Clarke Backs Up Book in 9/11 Commission Testimony

Condolezza Rice still a No-Show...

Today, after much fanfare, Richard Clarke testified before the 9/11 Commission. Throughout this week, there has been much coverage concerning his testimony after an explosive 60 Minutes interview and the release of his book on the subjects surrounding the war on terror. Some questioned his integrity and tried to discredit his 30 years of service, thru 4 administrations, working on terrorism in an extremely non partisan fashion.

Any question of his overall integrity was immediately dismissed when Clarke became the 1st person who has testified who went to the lengths of giving a very heartfelt apology for failing the families and loved ones of those killed on that day. Clarke went on to give compelling testimony consistant with previous words and despite a very partisan (ex Reagan council) Commisioner Thompson trying to discredit him based on a press backround briefing that was twisted by Fox news as being something it wasn't. Hawkish ex-senator Bob Kerrey, who questioned some of his views, but not his honesty, was the recipient of applause when he pointed out the misuse of the document should be cause for Fox to consider changing it's slogan to "sometimes fair and balanced."

Later, the frustrated Thompson all but conceded his attack when Clarke answered his last attempt to badger the witness into admitting he was lying by reminding the commissioner that when he was a Bush team member, as well as a member of other administrative bodies, that it was "just politics." A sentiment that everyone understood. And one that sheds a lot of light onto the attempts to discredit and slander Mr Clarke from the White House and it's pundits in conservative media, like Fox.

Throughout his 2+ hours of testimony, which was in addition to the many hours of already given testimony to the commision, Richard Clarke showed himself to have an excellent memory and a somewhat fair mind in his recollections. This was a man who was obviously not under the bidding of anyone to speak his mind. Where Clarke may have been a little overly optimistic about his own reactions to some hypotheticals, overall, he seemed to have a total grasp on what was going on with terrorism going back to the 1980's. Throughout his testimony, he was able to accurately back up much of his stands with historical events, corroborating testimony or evidence or documents in the commision's possession.

Also mentioned more than once wa the absence of Condi Rice's testimony. One of the commissioners, who has a track record going back to the Watergate scandal, repeated his offering of a document totally disproving her theory that someone in her position is above giving open testimony in such a matter. The document cited several examples that contradicted her and the administration's claims of some inherent immunity as claimed.

And perhaps Dr. Rice should reconsider her position. The White House is already under fire for many issues concerning their version of the terror war, and Dr. Rice's name seems to be coming up in every other person's testimony. And considering her willingness to shoot her mouth off on virtually every news program that she apparantly can, her ducking behind an immunity which simply does not exist is almost at the point of ridiculous.

Most of the bi-partisan commisioners found Richard Clarke's testimony to have a lot of credibility. He was as straightforward and honest as anyone who has been before this commission. I'm not sure if his view of everything is 100% accurate but the man showed his sincerity, and showed that one thing that he is not, is a liar. Here is some of what Richard Clarke has said recently...

Clarke repeatedly warned the Bush Administration about attacks from al Qaeda, starting in the first days of Bush's term. "But on January 24th, 2001, I wrote a memo to Condoleezza Rice asking for, urgently -- underlined urgently -- a Cabinet-level meeting to deal with the impending al Qaeda attack. And that urgent memo-- wasn't acted on."8 According to another Bush administration security official, Clarke "was the guy pushing hardest, saying again and again that something big was going to happen, including possibly here in the U.S." The official added that Clarke was likely sidelined because he had served in the previous (Clinton) administration.9

In face-to-face meetings, CIA Director George Tenet warned President Bush repeatedly in the months before 9/11 that an attack was coming. According to Clarke, Tenet told the President that "A major al-Qaeda attack is going to happen against the United States somewhere in the world in the weeks and months ahead."10

On September 12, 2001, Donald Rumsfeld pushed to bomb Iraq even though they knew that al Qaeda was in Afghanistan. "Rumsfeld was saying that we needed to bomb Iraq," Clarke said. "And we all said ... no, no. Al-Qaeda is in Afghanistan. We need to bomb Afghanistan. And Rumsfeld said there aren't any good targets in Afghanistan. And there are lots of good targets in Iraq. I said, 'Well, there are lots of good targets in lots of places, but Iraq had nothing to do with it.'"11

Also on September 12, 2001, President Bush personally pushed Clarke to find evidence that Iraq was behind the attacks. From the New York Times: "'I want you, as soon as you can, to go back over everything, everything,' Mr. Clarke writes that Mr. Bush told him. 'See if Saddam did this. See if he's linked in any way.' When Mr. Clarke protested that the culprit was Al Qaeda, not Iraq, Mr. Bush testily ordered him, he writes, to 'look into Iraq, Saddam,' and then left the room."12

The Bush Administration knew from the beginning that there was no connection between Iraq and 9/11, but created the misperception in order to push their policy goals. "[Rumsfeld, Cheney and Bush] did know better. They did know better. They did know better. We told them, the CIA told them, the FBI told them. They did know better. And the tragedy here is that Americans went to their death in Iraq thinking that they were avenging September 11th, when Iraq had nothing to do with September 11th. I think for a commander-in-chief and a vice president to allow that to happen is unconscionable."13

The war on Iraq has increased the danger of terrorism. In his book, he writes that shifting from al Qaeda to Iraq "launched an unnecessary and costly war in Iraq that strengthened the fundamentalist, radical Islamic terrorist movement worldwide."14

I believe this is a man who had one of the most intimate looks into the inside of the war on terror since the 1980's and at the very least, he should be listened to.

footnotes....

1. "Dissent from within on Iraq war," Philadelphia Inquirer, 3/24/04 http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/front/8260216.htm?1c (Registration required) 2. "Bush Aides Blast Ex-Terror Chief," CBS News, 3/22/04 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/23/terror/main608107.shtml 3. "The book on Richard Clarke," Washington Post, 3/23/04 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16192-2004Mar22.html (Registration required) 4. "Clarke's Take On Terror," CBS, 3/21/04 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/main607356.shtml 5. See 3, above. 6. "60 Minutes" interview; see 4, above. 7. "Ex-Bush Aide Sets Off Debate as 9/11 Hearing Opens," New York Times, 3/23/04 http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/23/politics/23CLAR.html?hp (Registration required) 8. "60 Minutes" interview; see 4, above. 9. See 7, above. 10. "60 Minutes" interview; see 4, above. 11. "Sept. 11: Before And After," CBS News, 3/20/04 http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/20/60minutes/main607622.shtml 12. "Excerpts from 'Against All Enemies: Inside America's War on Terror' by Richard A. Clarke," posted on NYTimes.com, 3/23/04 http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/23/politics/23CWOR.html (Registration required) 13. "60 Minutes" interview; see 4, above. 14. "Memoir Criticizes Bush 9/11 Response," Washington Post, 3/22/04 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A13607-2004Mar21.html (Registration required) 15. "60 Minutes" interview; see 4, above. thanks to moveon.org for some quotes / footnotes
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Reply #1 Top
Listening to Clarke's testimony has been very interesting. He doesn't seem like a man with an axe to grind, but someone who wanted the families to know what didn't happen and what should have happened.
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Clarke is seemingly the only person, and I mean only as in people from both parties, who didn't seem to have a political agenda in his testimony.

Cheers
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it did seem that way jeb...Tenet is showing the desperation of a used car salesman at this point...and Armitage yesterday looked like a deer in headlights 1/2 the time.
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I supported the war in Iraq, but not for the same motives as Bush. It seems clear now that Bush was simply obsessed with Iraq. I thought from the beginning that his most likely motive was quite simply that Saddam Hussein tried to kill his father. Dick Cheney and Paul Wolfowitz seem to have been motivated by control of oil resources, although I'll admit this is speculation.

After hearing Clarke's testimony, I am beginning to realize that the war in Iraq was a mistake, at least to carry it out at this critical time in the war on terror. I still think that Iraqi's will eventually be better off, and having a free arab democracy in the Middle East will be great for the entire free world, but Clarke made a compelling case on why this "undermined the war on terror."

I don't know how anyone can support Bush based on him being "strong in the war on terror" after Clarke's testimony, unless some idotic people believe the smears the Bush administration is trying to make about Clarke.

Also, after all the testimonies, I'm really beginning to believe that YES, the government SHOULD have stopped the 9/11 attacks. There are just too many missed chances. It's really a sad, sad story. Of course no fact-finding will bring back the 3000 killed on that day. But we can learn from all the mistakes, and we can choose a government that will have the intelligence, foresight, and certitude to best conduct the war on terror. I think it is now clear that John Kerry is the better choice.
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Does anyone find it strange that Kerry went on vacation while Clarke decided to publish his book and come out with his statements? I am not insinuating anything negative, but I find it a little odd.
Reply #8 Top
Why? Clarke has been working on getting his book published for some time, and Kerry just happened to be on vacation. And even if there is a link, which sounds really silly, what on earth could that link be and what would it mean?

Cheers
Reply #9 Top
I dunno nevermind just wondering that's all
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When Clark appeared before the Congress, under oath, in September 2002, he was singing a different tune on the same subject. Would you guys agree to declassify his testimony he gave in September 2002 and us the public then will know if he is what you guys think he is?

This should cast any doubt as to whom to believe - the Clarke two years ago or the Clarke today.

How can anybody under oath testify on "terrorism" and say different things until he starts writing a book?

aconservative
Reply #11 Top
the reports from the Kerry camp suggested he was exhausted from the primary...he had pretty much been going non stop since the fall at least...this was the only lull he had since then...and from looking at his demeanor in his economic policy speech today (ya know, one of those speeches the attack dogs will deny the existence of when they cry kerry is just being negativce and everybody just hates bush and has no plans, blah, blah, blah...) it seemed to be just the right thing.



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conservative,,,how can you assume that the testimony is conflicting if it is classified? if it is classified, you or anyone else hasn't talked about it. and if anyone claims they have and are talking about it,,,they are potentially breaking the law.

funny how (neo)conservatives hold everyone else to this "criminal law" burden it won't even come close to when attacking.

also funny how you mention nothing of Dr Rice's refusal to testify publicly now that the weak arguements of executive priveledge have been exhausted with several past examples being brought to light. that along with her willingness to shoot her mouth off to every reporter she can find.

Trying to somehow attack Clarke even further than the administration already has instead of dealing with the fact that the people that Dr Rice really serves,,,the people of this country,,,who are demanding her public testimony. is just another neocon smokescreen.
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Just out of curiousity aconservative, if Clarke's testimony in September 2002 is classified then how do you know it is substantively different? If it is classified then I would think you couldn't know, and if you did then you just violated the law by announcing it. Ahh, the perils of making statements that don't make sense.

Cheers
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also conservative...notice how the comission members have not sought to question him again, even in private, neither was that testimony brought up as a contradiction by any of the commission members. they tried to use manipulated and out of context fox news documents...but i would think if Clarke was giving such false testimony as you want to suggest by your innappropriate accusation, the commission would have leveled perjury charges against him,,,or at least the conservative members of the commission and their punditswould be screaming for it BEFORE suggesting declassifying the testimony....which only purpose would be political in george Bush's favor...in fact, releasing the testimony is probably the last thing you want, as the rumor of this testimony is more effective for the neocons who just want to keep bush and his cronies in power.

Again, this is just a neocon, attack dog red herring.

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i think we make the same points on more than one occasion jeb,,,i just think you may have got caught up in the propoganda surrounding me not liking the way some can push around and effectively silence people on this forum and not being intimidated into complying. my methods are sometimes rough, but based on some of the emails i have gotten (i learned real quick how many peoople don't want to speak up and don't want to lose a comfortable forum for their journals and writings but supported my defiance),,,many did get the point, instead of the way the ownership of this board tried to paint me when they picked the fight in the 1st place and effectively set me up to look bad...as well as something and someone i am not. i found it interesting to see that the threats this week expanded into basically threatening the whole board to never say anything that might make others think because the only thing they are concerned with is being dominant and not looking bad (when you boil down all the eloquent sounding words)...what goes on here kind of reminds me of what has gone on in the political landscape in an analogous way.

but a fair look at my work, my writing and my life would be a clear showing of who i really am,,,i thank you for not getting caught up in the B.S. too much

my biggest flaw may be my unwillingness to edit myself and be longwinded,,,like here...so i'll stop rambling for now....take care:)
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What Clarke said in his book and in congress directly contradicts his statements in 2002. So is he lying now or is he lying then?

Link

Clarke has managed to destroy his reputation quite efficiently.

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BTW, Sconn, you were banned because you wrote an article called "an open letter to Brad Wardell" that went far beyond criticism into personal attacks and borderline libel. If you find basic decency in behavior to beyond your capacity then I suggest you find somewhere to go. Don't try to paint yourself as a victim of censorship.

As for the "threat" to the "whole board", if you call requiring users not to create libelous articles with their target's actual name as part of the article's title censorship, then I'm okay with that. I'll censor away then I guess.

I try to be fair, but I make no claims of objectivity or fairness. Feel free to read the terms of service on this site. We've run many very popular net communities over the years. There's always a certain percentage of people we intentionally drive off becaue they are toxic to the community. Our goal is not to satisfy everyone. Our goal is to create a friendly environment where people of all political persuasions are comfortable expressing their opinions. But your rights end where someone else's begin. 

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brad's link is just a link to fox's misused piece of slander that the republican commission members unsuccessfully tried to hit Clarke with...when asked if he was lying in the 2002 backround briefing, which was mischarachterized by fox news and that was pointed out without objection by Nebraska's Bob Kerry during the testimony.


but what the neocons who are screaing for classified information to be released so they can use it for political purposes for get in making such a charge is" how do you know what it says?"

the commission made no inference or anything to say that clarke had perjured his 2002 classified testimony as the neocons want you to believe....and Sean Hannity isn't on the commission. and hannity is the type of journalist who wouldn't know a fact if it came down from fact heaven and sat on his face and wiggled on national fact day...



and of course,,,these are charges who come from people who have the pompousness to call other people cowards when they themselves refuse to do anything on an even playing field and can only bully...sometimes fighting the powers that be isn't pretty,,,but that doesn't make it wrong....about the weakest arguement anyone can make to back up their position is that the other side lacks the grace that they do and therefore are inherently beneath them...it can work on a lot of people, it's good propoganda to tell people that. still doesn't make it true. and it's a good thing the colonial settlers didn't believe it when the standard was to stand out in the open field and shoot at each other wearing a bright red coat.

i'll say it again,,,the best thing for the ideologues's strategy is to throw out the accusations like this, knowing full well that they can't be substantiated.and that the rumours thrown out have no basis in fact.

we've had enough of this ideology over relity, the ends justify the means and the facts be damned kind of goverment.

the ideologues can scream all they want that 2+2 = 5 but it doesn't, and we know it.


and the only reputation that is being destroyed is that of President Bush and his cronies. slowly, but surely.

sean:)
Reply #20 Top
brad,,,why are you chasing me around and publicly posting my articles over issues we should have hashed out between us.? i offered a communication tool in my personal email to discuss these differences. i really do resent the fact that i haven't chased you around or commented on your articles that i disagree with like you have chosen too, in a sense, picking a fight.

i think you make a lot of bluster out of nothing. and i feel that if you wish to ban people with your ownership status, that is your perrogative. but you seem to be more about trying to publicly win this arguement than anything that has to do with what i have done.

i apologized to you for that public posting...i explained my motives...i explained what i found to be unjust. i don't expect you to put up wit hme or anyone who may personally go after you without provocation for nothing,,,but brad, i haven't...what i have done is stood up for myself against what i found to be unfair...from you, i got a virtual door slam in my face in a pompous manner....so i reacted,,,and yes, overreacted,,,but despite the action being crass, the motive behind it wasn't an attack, but a defense of one's self....which i will do every time...and i think you know it, so you bait me like this.......i'm sorry if you have a problem with that or want to paint it into something i'm not....but don't expect me not to stand up for myself in defense of my own writing.
Reply #21 Top
one more question,,,why don't ya comment on my deadwood article or something non political...instead of being wrapped up in these political debates that you and i both know that we are never going to agree...and at this point, you and i will both take the others words in the worst possible way without even trying,,,either that, or perhaps take me up on my repeated offer of discussing this thru private email instead of trying to "play to the audience" here.
Reply #22 Top

Uh, are there TWO people who are using your account? I was responding to your post right above mine:

i just think you may have got caught up in the propoganda surrounding me not liking the way some can push around and effectively silence people on this forum and not being intimidated into complying. my methods are sometimes rough, but based on some of the emails i have gotten (i learned real quick how many peoople don't want to speak up and don't want to lose a comfortable forum for their journals and writings but supported my defiance),,,many did get the point, instead of the way the ownership of this board tried to paint me when they picked the fight in the 1st place and effectively set me up to look bad...as well as something and someone i am not. i found it interesting to see that the threats this week expanded into basically threatening the whole board to never say anything that might make others think because the only thing they are concerned with is being dominant and not looking bad (when you boil down all the eloquent sounding words)...what goes on here kind of reminds me of what has gone on in the political landscape in an analogous way.

Are you one of those people who are so lacking in empathy that you don't recognize how inflammatory your assertions are? You wrote this comment TODAY, on this very article and you ahve the nerve to argue that I'm "Chasing you around"?

You didn't "stand up" for yourself. You wrote an article with my name as part of the title that was essentially a bunch of personal attacks. Not criticisms of policy. Not criticisms of how the site is run. Personal insults at me. If you are incapable of grasping why that would be unacceptable behavior then you might as well cut your losses now and go elsewhere.

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As for your dismissal of the transcript of what Clarke said in 2002, I think it just demonstrates who the actual idealogue around here is.
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Jeblackstar and Sconn1

According to my reliable sources the chairman of the committee whom Clarke testified wrote to the Chairman of the 9-11 commission stating that his testimony was different.

As I am writing this comment the Speaker and the Senate Leader are requesting that his testimony be declassified. Perhaps you will read this late today or tomorrow.

Why don't you not get a hold of a book written by Richard Minter entitled "Losing Bin Laden". In this book Richard Clarke was the hero where he explained the meeting he attended with Defense Secretary Cohen, George Tenet, Madeleine Albright, Janet Reno and others when the USS Cole was bombed. According to Clarke he told them he knows who did it but nobody agreed with him. He said he heard only objections.

Jeblackstar and Sconn1 - perhaps you should also write to Congress and let Clarke's testimony be declassified. Since we are all seeking for the truth, this should be an opportune time to see if our hero is really what he says he is.

aconservative
Reply #25 Top
I think perhaps we should also write to congress to have the Saudi Arabia section declassified as well. And while I'm at it I'll write to have Roswell, the Kennedy assasination, and alien spaceships declassified as well. I'm failing to understand how Richard Minter's book relates to your assertions. Who are your reliable sources? If Bush can insist that Kerry reveal who the foreign leaders that support him are, then you should be able to tell me that, yes? If the transcript of the commission hearings back up your assertions then I'll admit you are right, the problem is, you stated definitively, which you can't, since a) you aren't on either committee or b) you don't work for someone on the committees, or c) if you are one of those two groups you just violated the fact that it was classified, which is a crime.

Brad, neither of us is dismissing the transcript of Clarke's testimony in September 2002, we're just poking fun at aconservative's use of the word "classified".

In brief, I am not holding Clarke as a bastion of goodness, all I've said is that Clarke seemed to be the most decent person who testified before the 9/11 commission.

Cheers