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Abortion as Murder

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We need to change the perception of extremists that abortion is murder. If it were the case then performing doctors, midwives, and the men and women involved should be subject to life imprisonment or death in states where there is the death penalty. This kind of harsh justice — even minimal jail sentencing — obviously is not going to become reality, not even the pro-life wing would suggest it. Consequently the perception should be that women at a given time inclined to abort should be extended the realistic latitude that she is not ready financially, emotionally, or of age to be a mother. The extremists who perceive it as murder should desist from interfering with contraceptive tools and education that would prevent a woman from having an abortion altogether, but at the same time should propagate adoption, as a viable alternative, in addition to rewarding the natural mother, provided designated adoptive parents exist, in lieu of adding to already crowded orphanages.

 

Copyright © 2006 Richard R. Kennedy All rights reserved. Revised: February 13, 2006.

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Reply #26 from JoeUser Forums Top
One has to keep in mind that the child inside the woman can be considered a lifeform while at the same time it may not be.


How can something with DNA and a metabolism be anything other than a lifeform? How can a lifeform with DNA consistant with that of Human Beings be anything other than a human being?

Unless someone can demonstrate that a fetus has neither, then by biological fact, a fetus IS a human being. Any other definition twists the fact for no better reason than political, social and other purposes of convenience.
Reply #27 from JoeUser Forums Top
If abortion were illegal, it would be murder, since it isn't, it can't be considered murder (at least by the courts).
By this logic before Roe abortion was murder? And when it is overturned it will again be called murder? I think one could still consider it a matter of symantics, since on both sides there is a real problem in defining a fetus wrenched from the womb.
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Reply #28 from JoeUser Forums Top
How can a lifeform with DNA consistant with that of Human Beings be anything other than a human being?
Is masturbation, since a sperm has DNA, also murder? Is it not a choice one makes in wilfully disposing his or her DNA? And should we consider the woman morally correct by taking it in the ass or mouth?
Reply #29 from JoeUser Forums Top
Steven:
By this logic before Roe abortion was murder? And when it is overturned it will again be called murder? I think one could still consider it a matter of symantics, since on both sides there is a real problem in defining a fetus wrenched from the womb.


No, before Roe Vs Wade each state had laws concerning abortion. Included with those laws was the definition of the crime being committed. As far as I know no state defined it as murder. So in answer to your question, no. However, I will add that no state considered the biological definition of human being or even life itself.

Steven:
Is masturbation, since a sperm has DNA, also murder? Is it not a choice one makes in wilfully disposing his or her DNA? And should we consider the woman morally correct by taking it in the ass or mouth?


Sperm has DNA, but it has DNA consistent with the male who produced it. Sperm is not and organism, sperm is a cell of an organism.

A fetus however, has DNA identifying it as a Human Being (Homo Sapien). It also identifies the fetus as a seperate and distinct organism from the mother or the father whose reproductive cells contributed to its creation.

Arguments that attempt to equate cells, tissues and organs of an organism with an organism are either ignorant or just plain silly. Hopefully you were trying to be funny here. ;~D
Reply #30 from JoeUser Forums Top
Hopefully you were trying to be funny here.
Perhaps funny but more bitingly uncouth!

No, before Roe Vs Wade each state had laws concerning abortion. Included with those laws was the definition of the crime being committed.
And the definition implied taking a "life" illegally.
Reply #31 from JoeUser Forums Top
Perhaps funny but more bitingly uncouth!


That works for me too. After all, we can't get so we take ourselves so seriously we forget to have fun here. ;~D

And the definition implied taking a "life" illegally.


Well, that all depended on which state. New York (for example) didn't change much under Roe Vs. Wade, however, states like Texas were forced to totally ignore any legislation acknowledging a fetus being alive... (even though they do fit in the biological definition of both Human Being and Life).

So, prior to Roe Vs. Wade, "Murder" could have definitely been used to describe abortion. However, in states like New York, it couldn't have been.